Mikie2times

Rob Johnson could have played worse in the Titans game? I have to think Flutie upgrades QB to some extent. Even if it's with his mobility. Johnson took 6 sacks in that game.

Calm down Maddy

I think from an impact perspective Garrett is the most certain outcome. I also think increased DL pressure is the best path vs the Chiefs.

What the Dr is missing is when you let a guy finish out a contract you have signifgantly more information available. As example, does that player still want to be part of your team? Is that player healthy? Is that player still a priority in roster construction? You can jump to sign people before the contract expires and you will save some money that way, but you will most certainly have some dead weight signings that you never had to commit to in the first place had you just waited. I'm curious, if we look up the value of waiting, compare that to savings we felt we got by resigning a player or the value we think we got by ensuring we signed that player early, if it justifies such a strategy. We wouldn't have signed White, Diggs, or Knox had we waited. That is almost 50 million dollars just this past year. So it's not like this is a black and white conversation.

Believe me, you didn't hurt my feelings, only my head. I'll try and deliver this in tiny bite size sections. I never said this was only about rookie deals. That was all you. So convenient to exclude Diggs when it was the most detrimental extension we have seen from this regime. In further breaking news, when players actually get to the end of the contract you get more information on that player. So in Whites case, had we waited, we might have also known White suffered a career impacting injury. These are the nuggets of knowledge you don't get when you try and save a few bucks not letting a guy play out his contract. Sort of like when you think you're good at TE but than draft one in the first round. Collectively these bad decisions have impacted our ability to add more talent. But you can also call out the play of the early extenders and the money we saved as a result of those extensions. Perhaps it equalizes it all out. It's a concept rational people can discuss at some point but this doesn't appear like one of those times.

I like your wording, "Crippled", always goal post moving on these boards. By all means feel free to expand on how Diggs, White, and Knox's contract extensions benefited us? How much did we lose the KC game by? Would 30 million+ been enough to make a difference? This has nothing to do with your wording. More to do with what ended up benefiting us more in the long run. If you think that rushing to sign players early benefited us more I would love to see you break down the reasoning compared to what it cost us. It won't cripple me to stay open minded to what that looks like.

I hope they consider increasing the inheritance for the Pegula family vs spending anymore on players

I was going to pose this question to the group at one point as I don't have a firm opinion. On one hand if the player work out you benefit. On the other hand you're making decisions early and with less information available. Any mistakes seem to be more impactful then the cumulative gain from savings. Ultimately it would be hard to say what approach is best.

They also got ahead of Tre White, Diggs, and Knox. Unfortunately the biggest reason we have no franchise tenures is the talent level. Reason two is how early we extend, which has also worked out very negatively in some examples.

If we never reach a Super Bowl, I don't think it happens. Part of the reason those early 90's teams got so many in is the sustained deep playoff success. That group is considered more of a dynasty than say the current Allen led group. From the current Allen led group, Dion is probably the next closest to Josh, but that doesn't mean he's a lock. A lot of it will boil down to winning a title or not. If we do get one I would say it swings to him being closer to a lock.

He was much worse the same season with Brady. Very obvious. He can be declining, but still much worse in that decline with Brady which is clearly what happened. Again, I never posted one time that Diggs didn’t decline (now will be off major knee surgery). I posted that two separate players in back to back year experienced career lows with our OC and as such, it shouldn’t be assumed he can properly utilize a #1. Your multiple responses to that are to just say Diggs declined. Got it. Diggs declined. Thank you for pointing that out.

Diggs had 868 yards and 7 TD’s in 10 games with Dorsey in 2023. He had 496 yards and 3 TD’s in 8 starts with the Texans. He had 388 and 1 TD in 9 games with Brady. It’s pretty wild to assume you can chalk all this up to Diggs just declining. Then an entirely separate player went thru the same thing.

I get that you want to side step the entire conversation by suggesting any of it has to do with just Diggs and if he declined at all, but you’re the only one debating that. Nobody is suggesting Diggs hasn’t declined. Just like nobody has tried to effectively debate that Brady can actually use a #1 WR.

So because Diggs is declining it justifies two separate players hitting career lows in production? With both players having current samples with different teams that far exceed the production with Brady and the Bills? I have plenty of data that will pretty much destroy this perspective. Happy to share.

Diggs and Cooper had career lows in 3 game rolling samples in which they were active for the Bills under Brady. Two different players, back to back years with career lows for WR’s that have played a very long time and it occurred multiple times. Both hit near career lows on every category. No way you can just chalk that up to Cooper and Diggs declining. Diggs was well on his way with the Texans and Cooper had about as much production in Cleveland over 6 games with Watson as he did here. If we went for a big investment in WR I just want to make sure we plan on using it.

If all of your options are stars that tells us what exactly about my comments?

I think thats just insane. His departure is what allowed Josh to feel more comfortable as the undisputed leader of this team. You don’t risk messing with that for an old WR off a major injury. Who knows if he’s ever close to the version he once was.

Great Scott! Are you saying you can actually show strength without having to show strength?!?! I thought only the yellers and pointers were strong 😂

So in your eyes if a guy wants to find a new friend group the best was to do that is punch all his current friends in the face? We can shift more towards not being the world police while not pooping all over everybody and leaving plenty of enemies in the process.

Can you imagine if a country invaded and occupied the US over several years. Then a foreign leader tried to resolve it by seemingly siding with our invaders, accusing the US of starting it, and calling our president a dictator. Asking for damages for war support in the form of minerals and basically shaming our leaders in public demanding they say thank you and bow like children. I don’t care what you think of Ukraine, but to think of the same thing happening to us and how people would respond just shows how disconnected Americans are with this situation and what they feel is acceptable.

Do you really think his supporters would be capable of discussing when he’s making clear mistakes? I like how he’s throwing a wrench in the system. I’m not a very big supporter of the political status quo. But how abruptly this is all happening and the alliances he is forming or choosing not to form will have impacts on the future. He doesn’t know what those are, neither do I, neither do you. But one thing that seems beneficial in the world of global positioning and politics is stabilization. All of it seems like it will become destabilized at the pace we are on. Maybe some feel that is something that had to happen. Careful what you wish for I would say.

Fixed it

What’s funny or not so funny, about this whole thing…. If you knew nothing of any of the countries and only evaluated the United States behavior post Trump you would believe Russia is our closest allies, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico, and China were our greatest enemies and we just felt complete indifference to all of Europe. I guess all in the name of America first?

Maybe I missed his masculinity as his voice was cracking trying to defend his views from TV shows.

Pillow soft, just because somebody was a news journalist and went they training at a young age doesn’t mean the 40 year old version of him isn’t a marshmallow.