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hoping he just bruised a rib falling on the ball, but collarbone is likely falling on that shoulder

We built this line with guys that can run block - Daboll has to lean on that not to shield Allen, just because it is the smart way to play Miami. Damn just saw Duke go down.

Dude... this defense is getting eaten alive by a team that has not been able to move the ball on anyone. I know you have an agenda, but just because they had a save by White on the goal line does not negate the fact the Defense has let them eat most of the 3rd quarter and march all the way down to the goal line. Both sides of the ball are sucking today and penalties have breathed life into a team that really is not ready to roll over.

Phillips celebrating while the ball is on the ground.... ooooboooy. I am trying hard to keep my calm.

I think they should have gone for it.

But he is really good against those shallow zone defenses... he is eating that up with his bigger receivers and TEs

Not dominant, but able to play MIami.

Wallace is getting out-muscled by these bigger receivers

Good hands on that TE

The offense cannot get on track with all the false starts and penalties - Marcus Easley. Sometimes using all the personnel packages and complex offensive formation can backfire as you cannot get into a cohesive rhythm and you are using guys who do not have a lot of real-game time experience. Daboll gets a bit cute and he is up against a defensive coach who know his tendencies. It shows.

This is not a team ready to play today. This is on McDermott.

I figured the board would be blowing up by now. Just is what it is, every team has an upset capability in them and we have about 70 yards of penalties that have kept MIami drives alive and have killed ours. A lot of game to play, but the zebras are leaning towards the under on the Vegas spread.

Fishes jumping ship Tanking ship losing its fish How fishy that ship

Just to add to the subjective nature, your analysis is a great example...and I am not knocking it. But I was thinking about YAC and got to thinking about how NE for years has gotten away with illegal pick/rub plays that allow all their short completions to go much further. In fact when we played them McDermott was keyed in on that tactic and even threw a challenge on one pick play. The refs got it wrong saying there was no contact...but the rule actually states that it is legal to have contact and rub a defender off a receiver within 1 yard of the LOS, any blocking or impeding a defender covering a receiver beyond 1 yard is illegal regardless of contact. So stopping directly in his path and leaning a leg back to force him to make a move to avoid you so you can free your receiver is illegal. Tough to get the right call from these guys, but if they start to get it right against NE because it is so blatent, NE's passing offense will have to be revamped.

Honestly anyone sticking up for Jarvis Landry over a Bills player loses all credibility... Just me, but I would not sweat it.

As much as I love our defensive stops I would not mind seeing a pick or a fumble that gives us a short field too.The Bills have been really good scoring once in the red zone. I am trying real hard not to jinx my team as I want to believe that there is no way McD brings the team out of their bye not ready to go to work. And yes, they need to run some up-tempo offense or something after the half because they do seem to come out flat with little energy.

I still cannot get over the fact that the idiot while in Russia handed one of his Super Bowl rings for Putin to try on and that gem of a human walked off with it surrounded by his KGB escort. Kraft then got a call from the WH saying that it would be best if Kraft dropped the affair and just said it was a gift. ...America the gift that keeps on giving (and I will stop there before I get booted to the political discussions board)

Folks that tested Josh prior to the draft came to the same conclusion. His release was over 70 mph, and when tested on intermediate and longer throws that required dropping passes onto spot, the passes he was "feathering" into that area were still traveling on a rope at 50 mph. His arm is literally almost too strong for his own good, but his accuracy was not an issue. It was how hard he threw the ball, it was that lack of throwing to a spot with touch and anticipation because he never had to because he could wait till he visually confirmed a receiver coming open and rifle the ball there. Allen has some amazing abilities, but he has a lot of new muscle memory that he has to develop to play consistently and at a higher level in this league. There are things that the Bills can capitalize on with that arm, and that is that Allen can throw that deep out like no one else in the league as most other QBs just do not have enough velocity to get a pass there without it ending in a INT. Daboll can work a lot more of those deep outs and come back routes and have success. They have to find receivers who can catch hard passes with their hands, and Allen has to get better. You can tell that Allen is thinking about his touch on his shorter routes and they have been better. That lob to Lee Smith would likely have been a bullet bouncing off Smith's hands last year. The longer balls, I don't want him to force it as a lot of teams are keeping safeties deep, but he has had some long shots to Knox that were right on the money. Some is Allen, some have been that this is a young team with young team growing pains, and some have been good defensive plays.

I thought the Jets brought in a decent GM in Joe Douglas who came in after Adam Gase and Greg Williams were installed, but he has a head coach and a defensive coach who are both liabilities and disastrous distractions with titanic egos. He needs to do himself a favor and clean house before one or both of those idiots manage to destroy everything he is trying to build. Or Joe could keep both those guys around and we will get to dance around that Jersey dumpster fire for many years to come.

No worries. I keep coming back to this site because I learn a lot from folks here. Plenty of knowledgeable posters and we really don't have to agree on anything other than our team's success. I always thought Allen was going to be at least a two year project with one year spent learning behind a vet, and the last thing I wanted to see was him forced to start year 1 as he was just that green. But here we are, and at 4 and 1 it is better than I hoped. So I don't get too wrapped around the axel if he does not measure up yet to other NFL starters would have been shocked if he did.

It was 8 pages responding to the PFF folks who go well out of their way to throw shade on Allen. ...and they have him 31st out of 35. They also flamed him in a podcast that dripped bias and sarcasm and invited the Bills mafia to respond...likely knowing they would get rise out of us. So we were responding. Not sure about the "vibe" thing. Most posters I have read seem to take the long view that Allen has things to work on and is by no means there yet. What I take exception to is the hubris of those who spout absolutes, like "he will never be this or that" because Allen was a known project coming into the league and I don't think anyone knows yet where his ceiling is. There are plenty of posters here I respect that have legit concerns and doubts and it's all good. 20s would be probably where I personally would put his progress to date, but that was not the PFF assessment we were discussing. Interesting to note that there was a recent Cover1 film breakdown that did an objective analysis of Allen's Titan game, the bad - throwing into the crowded middle of the field where an all-pro safety was hanging out, and the good Allen going through his entire progression of reads and hitting his fourth receiving option. So I would agree with your criticism, but rather than say he lacks the ability to read the field which is an absolute, I would say he is learning to read the field better, but he has a ways to go yet.

Not fake news, but a fair critique given the context so I will take my lumps and give you props for a good call. Flag on the play and all that. However that WAS a QB ranking assessment done by PFF analysts, just earlier in the season prior to all the bowl games and mocks being released. If the time stamp for The "Big Board" you link to is accurate that was done on April 24th after a lot of mocks and draft projections had already been released - the draft was on the 26th. Was not intentional on my part as I just missed the date stamp of the assessment I referenced, but I still think their evals of players are off and the subjective aspects swayed like everyone else by the herd mentality of collected player mock assessments. That is ok to admit it is not all a scientific method because I believe where a player goes in the draft can be influenced by pre-draft hype - at least for some NFL clubs.

And the "After" picture. Orange jump suites - not just anyone can pull that look off, but Bannon looks like a natural....

Apparently Beane was not buying their evaluation of QB's prior to the 2018 draft as PFFs Analysis Team ranking of the 2018 QB draft class went like this: 1. Baker Mayfield 2. Will Grier 3. Mason Rudolph 4. Lamar Jackson 5. Josh Rosen 6. Mike White 7. Jake Browning 8. Luke Falk 9. Auston Allen 10. Jerrett Stidham 11. Daniel Jones 12. Sam Darnold 13. Josh Allen Not that I am saying folks may have a bias, but wouldn't you just look plain silly if the guy you have ranked dead last became good? Not that many NFL teams seemed to be listening to their player evaluations prior to the draft.Though they did get Mayfield right, but heck half our board predicted that and don't claim to be experts with all the secret sauce formulas to back up the educated guesswork needed to predict what QB the Browns would take. Plenty of other metrics have merit and may be leveraged - situational statistics that help teams crunch probabilities for down and distance what a team is most likely to do offensively or defensively. It is the application of those collected metrics that help teams put a thumb on the probability scale and come up with game plans. That is why most teams have an analytics guy and it may be easier to buy the raw data collected by a group like PFF than to create your own. They have data, and they have opinions. I will go out on a limb and say that the Bills and other NFL teams are most likely interested in the data they collect and not so much their opinions, interpretations, and player evaluations.

I would not care if PFF had Allen at the top their QBR - just as meaningless as if they had him dragging the bottom. I just trust my eyes when it comes to whether Allen, a QB that I thought was a very raw but talented prospect needing about 2 years just to get up to speed with more polished draft prospects with some time sitting behind a veteran, is trending in the right direction after being thrown into the fire. That is all I am looking for and it works for me. Just for fun (because it is funny for us anachronistic antagonists of those in love with their arithmetic) just look at the Wikipedia comments about the long and skeptical journey of Total QBR and yes, I know I cherry-picked the funny comments. "Unlike the NFL passer rating, ESPN has not yet been forthcoming on the exact specific formulas and procedures to calculate QBR.[7] The proprietary, complex methodology spans some 10,000 lines of code.[8] In an interview with San Diego's XX Sports Radio, San Diego Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers seemed baffled by the ratings, which put him ninth overall in its metrics for the 2010 season, saying "I still don't get it. I think it's more complicated now" "Further criticism of QBR was brought about when, before some tinkering with the equation of QBR, Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch had the greatest individual game ever evaluated by QBR. Batch threw for 186 yards with two interceptions in the game" "Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers' Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers." "In a more recent example, a game played on September 24, 2017, Alex Smith of Kansas City Chiefs received an inexplicable QBR of 7.8, half as much as the equally-bad QBR of 16.1 for his counterpart Philip Rivers of the Los Angeles Chargers, even though Smith had a higher completion rate (16/21 vs. 20/40), a better average per completion (7.8 yds vs. 5.9), a far superior TD/int ratio (2-0 vs. 0-3), and won the game handily 24-10."