RocCityRoller

Inside out NFL starters fighting for a roster spot at C and OG. Very good moves for starter and depth, though C/OG is fairly deep in this draft.

Deep C/G draft. Would be silly to pass on Price/Daniels if available in round 2-3. I also see LB being drafted early and often.

two Super Bowl wins, reloading for 3

best case scenario or potentially a draft like (Matt Miller (Bleacher Report), (NFL needs) Difficult setting: 12: R1P12 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS VIRGINIA TECH 22: R1P22 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH BOISE STATE 53: R2P21 QB MASON RUDOLPH OKLAHOMA STATE 56: R2P24 C JAMES DANIELS IOWA 65: R3P1 G AUSTIN CORBETT NEVADA 96: R3P32 RB RASHAAD PENNY SAN DIEGO STATE 121: R4P21 EDGE OGBONNIA OKORONKWO OKLAHOMA 166: R5P29 WR DEONTAY BURNETT USC 187: R6P13 TE TROY FUMAGALLI WISCONSIN

12: R1P12 EDGE HAROLD LANDRY BOSTON COLLEGE 22: R1P22 LB RASHAAN EVANS ALABAMA 53: R2P21 DL DARON PAYNE ALABAMA 56: R2P24 C JAMES DANIELS IOWA 65: R3P1 QB MIKE WHITE WESTERN KENTUCKY 96: R3P32 WR D.J. CHARK LSU 121: R4P21 OT GERON CHRISTIAN LOUISVILLE 166: R5P29 RB KALEN BALLAGE ARIZONA STATE 187: R6P13 CB BRANDON FACYSON VIRGINIA TECH Got the top Edge rusher (6.1 grade), top 3 LB, top 3 DL, top C, best QB prospect after Rudolph, #4 WR with 4.3 speed and 6'3" size, a swing tackle, a 6'1 227 back with 4.46 speed (KR/PR and 3rd option at RB), and a 6'2 cb with 4.53 speed Build the team, with 100 million next year you can buy a QB if McCarron, White, Peterman can't do it

Why would Cleveland trade down, when in this scenario Cleveland went Darnold/Rosen #1 and then could pair up that Qb with Barkley at #4?

and he has a shiny nose to lead a band of misfit toys to redemption, actually I like him at 22 a lot.

need a backup and camp battle at every position. Would like to go for Billy Price in second though.

So wait a minute. Getting SB MVP QB Foles, keeping #22 and having 3 second round picks is a colossal failure in your book? Bills could then package #22 and a 2nd or third to move back up in first and get the defender they want (say a stud LB) Foles, stud LB and 2-3 second round picks is your vision of failure?

Fair enough, I didn't see any mention of what pick in your post, and also the scenarios that could play out, or for what QB. I am good with a wait and see approach now, with a few contingencies built in. Another poster made a thoughtful post about the situation. If QBs go 4 in the top 10, and the highest BPA come off the board, then trade back from 12 for a later #1 and #2. Use the late 1st rounder to go after Foles, keep #22 and the third #2. Make moves/picks as warranted. Foles, 1st round LB, and three 2s to address OL, DL, WR would be pretty hot. The Jets move sucks, but Buffalo as a lot of capital to make things happen.

No we don't, and no we didn't. Indy was very clear in stating they did not want to move out of the top ten. Buffalo had no top ten pick. Not enough ammo. The Jet's did make a bold move and and sold the farm. Funny thing is now Cleveland has to draft the QB they want at #1 now. The Giants could still draft Eli's heir apparent, leaving the Jets with the 3rd QB and having not much else this year. Do you want the Bills to trade it all for potentially the #4 QB? If the Giants go QB, and the Jets have to pick a QB now, Cleveland can get Barkley to pair with their new QB of the future. Why would they trade that away? The Giants can get Eli's heir, or a stud to help Eli make one more push and ring #3. Why would they trade that away? Only if Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and doesn't draft a QB, even after the Jets have telegraphed their move, and the Giants draft Eli help to make one more run does trading for the Cleveland #4 make sense. That is quite a few 'Iffs'. You need a partner who wants what you can offer, and the draft to fall properly. I'm all for having a deal in place with Cleveland for #4 ahead of the draft, but waiting to pull the trigger until the draft unfolds. If not let the draft work itself out and see who falls to #12. If QBS go 1,2,3 a franchise Defender or O-lineman is going to fall to 12 If not a top 4-5 QB will probably fall, and the Bills could still add a DT like Payne or LB like Vander Esch at 22, or the Bills could then take a QB at 12 and move up from 22 to get the defender/ O-lineman they want. Patience grasshopper Nothing would make me happier than Browns taking Darnold, Giants taking Rosen and the Jets left with Allen/Mayfield/Jackson at #3 after blowing their draft capital this year.

you can not force another team with a top 5 pick to trade with you. The Bills did not have what the Colts wanted, a top ten pick. I would laugh my butt off if the Browns and Giants both end up taking QBs and the Jets wasted all of that draft capital to not get their guy.

like I said, that is just an example of a guy who maybe they want. It could be an OT, 3 technique DT, Edge player etc. so they went up to 12 to get whoever that it is. back to the OPs point maybe Allen and Rudolph and someone else at QB are all rated similarly and they will move from 22 with another pick/s to get that guy. Just trying to make the point the move to 12 wasn't necessarily done for a qb, maybe it was. We will see in a few weeks.

Van Der Esch was just an example of a McBeane type fit that they could have moved for. It could be any position. I just pointed to that one as a reasonable example. Maybe they have 2-3 QBs ranked all very close and are ok not spending the farm for one of them. Sam Darnold is the only guy I can really see a team sacrificing a good chunk of the draft for.

maybe they want some guy at another position that would not be there at 21? they have to draft positions other than QB maybe a guy like Van der Esch, who compares in many ways to Luke Kuechly.

RIP to a one of a kind owner, A moment to recall the Benson Boogie great reaction at 1:46

the concussions and other injuries should be checked out and are a potential red flag regardless of the other stuff imo.

thanks, I'll check it out. The Fanspeak version I linked is free too.

Yeah I noticed that on the nfl.com draft profile. Also a 'minor' shoulder surgery. Not a great arm. I think Rudolph is the dark horse here. My guess is the board looks like: 1) Darnold 2) Rudolph 3) Allen 4) Rosen 5) Mayfield

One of the draft simulators is up and running, and is always fun. In basic mode there are no trades, which limits it some. (Sorry no Andrew Luck trades LOL, I had to troll this board some ) Even without trades it is still fun to see what QBs could fall to 12 or 22 and how much Buffalo can bolster the team with the picks it has From what I can tell it is updated weekly https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/

makes sense since the Bills are reported to have a lot of cap space next year to work with

I tip my hat to you, sincerely. I called you out personally before because of the original response to my thread. It came across as snarky, belligerent, and without thought. I am new here, making friends quickly. <ok not really> I saw a lot of Cousins/ Keenum/ xyz threads but nothing on Luck. I didn't go back into the archives. I lost years on Tyrod Taylor posts alone. You did post a well argued and reasoned post as to why you do not like the thought of trading for Luck above. I even repped you for it. I may disagree with you, but if you take some time to hold a dialectic I will respect it and think it over. Why didn't you just do that the first time? The crux of your argument was medical. Anyway, it's funny because some people seem to think I am a complete idiot for even thinking a trade for Luck is possible. Luck is the Indianapolis franchise and such a thought is dumb, I like to call these 'my first 20 responses on TBD'. Some even guessed I must be a crack head to suggest such a thing. (No, I am a drunk thank you very much, see above) Some have said anything is possible, but not likely, referring to the Herschel Walker trade, and noting other moves for franchises to get 'damaged' QBs. I may point to Buffalo drafting Willis McGahee and sitting him for a full year, knowing he wouldn't be ready for a year, when they needed a QB. He sucked as a QB by the way. Heck I remember Oakland QB Jim Plunkett and his injury meaning he was washed up in the 70's, but what do I know? I think he won a Super Bowl, but sucked at RB. I'd like to bring up the Ricky Williams draft too, everyone knew he was a pot head, and that was a decision made by 'a respected member of the NFL brain trust.' Lastly, we have the reports of major medical damage. I don't have a medical degree like a lot of people here do. I had no idea so many doctors were on this message board before, but I do know that if I were Indy, sitting at #3 in the deepest QB draft since 1983, with an inside connection to Philly and the Super Bowl MVP, and knowing Luck was done, I'd try to dump Luck ASAP, and get the most out of him I could and stop paying him. Even a fellow drunk like Jim Irsay could figure that out. I'd pull in Foles since Philly is in cap trouble, draft a QB at 3, and take the idiotically proposed Buffalo first round pics to do the trifecta with a "Herschel Walker' style trade. If correct, Jim Irsay could get drunk and snort coke off of Bolivian hookers @sses for years. Call me kookie, though it cancels out the first two thirds of this thread. Two 1st round pics for this heap?!?! YEAH!!! Let's do it!! So with your medical diagnosis I spoke the truth from an Indy perspective, or is it simply a crap shoot? I relied on the horrible media like below, I apologize: https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/16/indianapolis-colts-andrew-luck-recovery-exceptionally-well/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000912153/article/colts-andrew-luck-regaining-strength-close-to-throwing One of those reports noted Luck's 'treatments' in the Netherlands, a bunch of sex crazed pot heads. I guess he should be Denver's QB. Then again only for 8 games unless they have away games in California and maybe Massachusetts. Imagine a millionaire going to overseas for medical treatments? What a loser. https://www.omicsonline.org/conferences-list/medical-tourism-and-public-health Luck is as much a risk now as any rookie QB, because of the medical issue with his shoulder, but he has delivered 4700 yds and 40+ TDs in a season in the NFL. Meanwhile, the cost for Buffalo to move into the 6 or 7 spot is their 21 and 22. That assumes Buffalo likes a QB available at 6 or 7, and they can find a partner to trade with. Going 1-5 will be 3-4 picks. I'd rather roll with a guy who has proved it, than one that hasn't. Call me a riverboat gambler.

Cleveland will draft S Barkley #1 now. With Taylor, Duke Johnson and Barkley the Browns will be #1 in rushing offense. They will draft a QB at #4 or trade back to a QB thirsty team like Buffalo. The 'D' in Cleveland is young and stacked. Cleveland will be 7-9 to 9-7 because turnovers are reduced. In typical Bills fashion, they may loose a wild card spot to Cleveland, unless they play their cards right.

I can see you are an open minded lad with a lot to offer with deep analysis and counter points. Just shut up anyone who doesn't agree with you or think differently. I bet you have an awesome beard.

Exactly That is the risk, and very reason it could be possible. Why would Frank Reich want to go into his first year as a HC with a banged up Luck when he could have Foles and a QB selected at #3? On top of that Indy could dump 75 million in cap, and get #21 an #22 from Buffalo to rebuild. if I'm in Indy this is a no brainer. Use the Philly and Bills connections to build now. Indy could get Foles, a QB at #3, and #21 and #22 Phily gets out of 7 million in cap trouble and gets Indy second rounder and maybe third Bills could get a potential franchise QB if they are patient, and willing to struggle a year. therefore strike a deal and buy while the value is low while using the Philly, Indy Bills connection It's not rocket science