RocCityRoller

this is exactly my point. Thank you. No QB will succeed here behind this O-line/ WR combo. It will be worse than Indy if we trade the farm away.

this team is desperate for any KR/PR/WR they can get?

Even with a "can't miss QB" your franchise can suck.

4-12 before the draft. Love it or hate it. Top 5 pick in 2019. Discussions will be top QB or top edge rusher. How long will Beane continue?

It is a valid and recent example of what can happen, when you trade away your franchise for a great QB

Luck has yet to throw a football. He was ruined by a terrible football team. Admit the truth.

with this O-line and our terrible WRs, no. The answer is no.

This is my hope. It's the only situation Beane can hope for now.

Let me go on record to say i like McDermott a lot. I really like the guy, I think he will be a very successful NFL coach, and win multiple Super Bowls. I don't think the Bills have what it takes for even McDermott to be successful. Beane has trashed a good roster, and now has the worst dead money cap in the league, and a terrible roster to boot. This is not an accident. Beane has to be a total Wizard in the draft to approach Whaley in talent. I said it, Wahely !@#$3d up on QB, but he got the rest right. The Bills had talent all over the roster with Whaley, but he couldn't find a QB. If Beane get's the QB he is half way there, but what is the cost? Is it Rosen and a horrible O-line, and no WRs worth no 1st rnd pick in 2019? Beane is in a no win situation now. The D is weak (name 3 starting LBs) which McDermott needs to run an elite defense, the offense is in a shambles.

Did he start throwing 'The Duke' again or am I missing something? He is a QB that can't even throw a football. He was ruined in Indy. Indy's inability to build a team around Luck ruined him. No O-line and a terrible Defense ruined him. I don''t want to do that to a top prospect. Buffalo's O-line and WRs suck. Any top 5 prospect here will fail because of it. My troll post about Luck to Buffalo is worthless now. Buffalo has no O-line. Luck has yet to throw a football. He is done. Any trade from Indy for Luck would be fools gold now, as would any rookie QB in Buffalo this year.

this roster is hot garbage. 4-12 at best. Post draft is 4-12 to 6-10 at best. I like McDermott a lot as HC, but he needs some talent to help. This roster could be the worst I've seen in 30 years of being a Bills fan.

All of you are missing the point. No QB can be successful with a trash O-line and trash WR. Not to mention a garbage Defense outside of the secondary (hope Vontae Davis is healthy) The Bills now have both. It is plain as day, yet you refuse to see it. 4-12 right now at best. But hey trade everything for 'can't hit a barn Allen', 'Concussion Rosen' or 'smurf Mayfield'. Trading away 3-4 picks and next year's top 5 pick is dumb. Will you gamble on 'concussion Rosen' behind this line? He would retire in a NY minute behind this line. Maybe turnover Darnold is your pick? McBean trashed this roster. It is garbage. Let the draft fall to the Bills. They need everything right now. BPA is the way to go for multiple drafts. All they need is QB, LB, OL, WR ,DL and CB.

No, any QB behind this trash OL and WR/TE corps will look terrible. It could be Tom F*&^ Brady and they would suck. That is my point exactly.

You have some pretty rose colored glasses. Can I borrow them? This roster as it is built now stinks. OL is bad, LB is bad, WR is bad, and DL is counting on guys 'bouncing back'. This is a 4-12 team right now. I enjoyed your post. It was rational and well thought out. I think "that QB" is there at 12. I really do. And I think the team can be built up around him with the other picks. No, with a top 5 pick it is easier to move to #1 or #2. Use the bevy of picks this year to build the D front 7 and O-line and then get a QB in 2019

I know, 80% or so of TBD wants to draft a QB this year no matter the cost. I want a QB too, but pragmatism says moving up now will be devastatingly expensive. We will have an Indy style QB cripple on a weak team. Andrew Luck has yet to throw a football again.... I think this is a deep QB draft, but not a top QB draft, I see maybe three QBs in this draft being NFL worthy with one second tier QB being good. This would follow QB history. Even the 83 draft had 3 top QBs and 3 misses. No QB can succeed behind a terrible O-Line, bad WRs and a weak RB situation. Our O-line is now terrible to match the WR situation. AJ McCarron signed with the Bills with rights to Cordy Glenn at LT, Eric Wood at Center and Incognito at LG. At worst his left side was solid, but all are gone now. AJ McCarron will not only have a terrible WR corps, but will have a terrible O-line. He will get killed and fail, and fans will slaughter him, despite being in a failing situation. His O-line will suck now as will his WR corps. Any rookie QB coming into this situation will do worse if the Bills trade away their capital. Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and even Matt Ryan would look bad behind our current line and WR situation. At best this team has one possession WR, and a gimpy TE, an ageing RB, with one solid T and a good backup C/G. We are pathetic for building up a QB to be successful. Why would any rookie QB succeed here? They would get killed. We need an O-line and some real weapons to be successful. I feel bad for AJ McCarron. He is getting a raw deal before starting. Even worse we will suck in 2018, and not have our top 5 pick in 2019 to build an Offense or Defense around because we traded it for our 'franchise QB'. Buffalo is so so far behind in talent it needs the 2018 draft to be successful, and then move. We will be a top 5 draft pick team in 2019 and can make our move.

Standing pat in multiple draft sims I got Mayfield at 12. MLB Van Der Esch at 22. Jones was my pick at first second. Ragnow as pick at the end of third or fourth. After those drafts: Jones (R) or Dawkins /Groy or Bodine or Ragnow (R)/ Bodine or Groy or Ragnow (R)/ Miller or Ducasse/ Dawkins or Newhouse or Mills If not: Dawkins/ Groy/ Bodine/ Miller or Ducasse/ Newhouse backups: T: Dawkins/ Newhouse/ Mills G: Groy/ Bodine/ Miller/ Ducasse C: Bodine/ Groy Bodine has been a starter for four years and has taken snaps with AJ McCarron. Miller can hopefully get out of the dog house. Newhouse is a failure if he is not better than Mills or Henderson. Hence in my drafts I spend two picks on OL..... No sense giving AJ a 'chance' or any rookie QB for that matter, with this O-line.

Second take, similar results. Mayfield as the QB of the future. Vander Esch as the QB of the defense. Went for the size and speed of Chark in round 2, Interior OL instead of LB in round 3, took a 4-3 DL later, CB higher, Warner to the Bills at rd 5 and ended with Roc Thomas to add youth at RB. I would love this draft. 12: R1P12 QB BAKER MAYFIELD OKLAHOMA 22: R1P22 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH BOISE STATE 53: R2P21 OT JAMARCO JONES OHIO STATE 56: R2P24 WR D.J. CHARK LSU 65: R3P1 C FRANK RAGNOW ARKANSAS 96: R3P32 DL B.J. HILL NC STATE 121: R4P21 CB DUKE DAWSON FLORIDA 166: R5P29 LB FRED WARNER BRIGHAM YOUNG 187: R6P13 RB ROC THOMAS JACKSONVILLE STATE

My most recent Fanspeak mock draft (no trades allowed) Rankings: Bleacher Report - Matt Miller (considered among the best on mock sites) Needs: Fanspeak - pretty accurate, updates often Difficulty level - Difficult 12: R1P12 QB BAKER MAYFIELD (6.03) No brainer here, can't believe he fell. Got a top 3-4 QB without selling the farm OKLAHOMA 22: R1P22 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH (6.25) QB for the defense. A total McBeane type player, the most Luke Kuechly/ Brian Urlacher MLB in this draft and a stud in the middle for 10 years. BOISE STATE 53: R2P21 OT JAMARCO JONES (5.8) LT for Buckeyes. Gives flexibility to slide Dawkins to RT where he was drafted for. Pair of bookend tackles set for AJ and Baker Mayfield. OHIO STATE 56: R2P24 WR JAMES WASHINGTON (5.76) Complete WR to pair with Benjamin. One of Mason Rudolph's go to weapons. Passed on DJ Chark, tough choice, sub Chark here if you want OKLAHOMA STATE speed, though Washington excelled at long plays. 65: R3P1 DL TAVEN BRYAN (6.35) The guy who fell out of the top two rounds. Rebuilding the D front 7 in earnest. Grades higher than Hurst, Phillips and Settle on NFL.com by a FLORIDA mile. Gets to learn from Kyle Williams for a year. 96: R3P32 LB JOSEY JEWELL (5.57) Continue building to McDermott's strength. Potential ST captain, depth and competition at MLB, could have gone interior O-line here.... IOWA 121: R4P21 RB BO SCARBROUGH (5.5) Example of quality RBs that can be found in rounds 4-7. Youth in RB room, one cut freight train. Comes from a winning program. ALABAMA 166: R5P29 LB FRED WARNER (5.64) True OLB, productive cover LB. Can compete to start right away in weak LB room. 6'3 227, could give TEs a problem. BRIGHAM YOUNG 187: R6P13 CB ISAAC YIADOM (5.64) With the better C/G drafted and most other holes addressed went with BPA at corner. 6'1, 190, 4.52 speed. Adds depth to CB room. BOSTON COLLEGE In review, maybe I would have passed on Josey Jewell at ILB at end of round 3. Could have pulled the trigger on an interior lineman to help rebuild the O-line for AJ and Mayfield. Other than that very very happy with this draft. Could have gone DJ Chark over Washington, and maybe waited on a RB, though something tells me Scarborugh will be a very very good short yardage NFL back. If nothing else I think this helps show how deep this draft can be. It looks like one of the deeper drafts in recent history. There is a value to staying put and letting a draft fall to you, while addressing needs. If I had gone DJ Chark at WR at the Bills third pick, NDIrish and I had the same first three picks in two completely different mocks.

I've now seen everything, thank you internet

I usually gag at half a bag

no, he sucks. why would we want another team's garbage?

bump to get off the round one and two discussion some interesting players mentioned

can not agree more. It was one of the most vicious and clean hits I've seen. I thought Boomer was dead. I remember Bruce celebrating, looking down and then waving for Bengal trainers himself. "Bad things" indeed. Boomer Esiason Q: Carl J. (Hoboken, NJ) – Hi Boomer. Love seeing you on TV and listening to you on Monday Night Football. Was wondering… what’s the hardest hit you ever took when you were playing in the league? A: Thanks a lot for bringing this topic up! The hardest hit I ever took came courtesy of Bruce Smith in a game in 1995. He came around the end untouched, absolutely flattened me and I ended up with a concussion. I’ve never been hit by a freight train, but I imagine it is a similar experience. Boomer talking about it later

Funny, I seem to recall Indy has been to the playoffs 3 of 6 years since drafting Luck, making the AFC Championship once with 0 Super Bowl appearances in that span. Each year they had to play in the wild card round, so 0 first round byes, and it's not like they had the Pats, Steelers or Broncos in their division. In 5 years, not counting the year he was knocked out, he is a whopping 9 games over .500. That equates to 9-7or 10-6 depending on rounding (+1.8 games over 8-8) And Indy did not have to sell the farm to get him. They had the pick from tankng, and did not have to spend insane draft capital, or trade away NFL contributors to get the pick to do so. This is not 'house money' as another genius posted. You would think that a team picking the consensus best QB, with its natural draft pick, coming off of multiple playoff appearances in the 5 years before him, in a weak division would do better. But we at TBD should drink the Kool-aid to trade a 1 this year, give up an additional 1 this year and next, and possibly 2 seconds to get the second or third best QB in the draft. All of this despite having one of the oldest rosters in the NFL, and coming off of 1 playoff appearance in 18 years. All to select a guy that quit on a sport when he needed surgery, had a 17-13 record, is not a cultural fit at all, has already had multiple shoulder injuries and concussions, and the team will have less draft capital in the first two years to build around him. Yeah, I'm sure Buffalo betting the house on Rosen will do better than Indy with Luck.

That 'cocky punk' Baker Mayfield. Walk on player to Texas Tech when every major program passed on him Transferred to Oklahoma and just became a Heisman Trophy winner 'Well he has a strut in his step, what a cocky SOB.' So did Jim Kelly. He was an @ss till he grew up. Imagine being a 2.0 GPA high schooler and becoming a neurosurgeon after finally being challenged in an elite school. I want Baker Mayfield more than any other QB in this draft. He is Buffalo and WNY personified. Overlooked, left behind and discounted. Yet continues to fight, and will be successful regardless of the odds. TBD can be Josh Rosen crazy, but If Darnold, Rosen and Allen go by #5, then by all means do everything you can to get this guy. He has 'It' and I think he would fit into Buffalo very quickly and be a legend when it is all said and done. Like Mark Twain said, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. And oh yeah, this arrogant jerk found the time to call McKenzie Asher's family within 48 hours of winning a Heisman and knowing she died.