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Trevor Lawrence too, no?

On the flipside, we don't really know what good QB play looks like outside of watching Tom Brady against us for the past 20 some odd years. I'm still kinda torn on Allen personally. I liked him a lot when he was playing for Wyoming and was very excited when we drafted him (though I preferred Lamar at the time). At this point, Allen generally avoids making back-breaking mistakes that some of our past QBs like Fitzpatrick and Losman for example made too often. He certainly shows flashes of greatness. But overall, he's very rarely the reason that we win games, which isn't totally his fault but he has had some opportunities. With the defense that we have, they are generally the reason that we win games, and Allen essentially just has to not screw it up. I'm hoping that if we have a season this year, we'll see him step into the limelight more and more often be the main reason we win. But through two years, he and the rest of the offense simply haven't carried the same weight that the defense has. I suspect that's part of what the national football people are waiting to see as well. Many other young QBs have shown more in that regard, but as is generally the case, they've shown lower lows due to being relied upon more as well. He's shown enough IMO to warrant picking up his 5th year option barring some sort of catastrophic season, but I wouldn't currently feel comfortable giving him a long-term top 10 QB contract like he'll likely be aiming for until he shows us more.

FWIW, they have the Colts QB situation tied with Buffalo's. I also think there's uncertainty baked in for both teams. If Allen doesn't develop more (which is generally the rule of thumb for QBs after two years, though I tend to think Allen has as good a shot as anyone of breaking that rule), then he's probably viewed as a below-average starter in the league and Buffalo could be searching for a new QB during the 3 year window. Rivers is probably viewed as the better QB right now but obviously a much higher likelihood of them needing to replace him during the 3 year window. I wouldn't be surprised if they think Brissett is only slightly worse than Allen/Eason could develop into a better QB than Allen. Again, I would tend to disagree with this, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's their thinking. Tampa and Pittsburgh are rated higher at QB because their current QBs are viewed as significantly better than Allen right now. They very well may need to be replaced during this 3 year window as well, but I think the perceived gap between current day Brady/Ben and Allen is enough to outweigh that level of uncertainty. Much like Buffalo, I think all three of those teams are set up for success regardless of the QB, so I'm not surprised that they're all viewed very close to one another.

Yeah, I think the drafting is the part that stands out. Not sure if it's meant as actual drafting ability, future draft picks, or some mix of both. It also could be heavily influenced by their relatively low opinion of Allen, who Beane traded quite a deal to acquire.

As is always the case with stuff like this, there's always questions about how to weight that kind of uncertainty. Those guys could end up being their teams' starter for the next 3 years or they could retire after one. I think they at least attempted to bake that into the rankings already. I imagine Brees is viewed as more than the 9th best starter in the league, but that's where the Saints QB position was ranked. Likewise with Tampa and Pittsburgh being #13 and #14 respectively at QB. And the Colts are tied with Buffalo as far as the QB ranking goes (i.e. they think both are below average). I think the overall point is that those teams are set up for success even if they end up with a new QB during that time frame and the same goes for Buffalo.

For those that are interested, the rest of the rankings are as follows: Baltimore Kansas City San Fran New Orleans Dallas Philly Pittsburgh Seattle Tampa Indy Tennessee Minnesota New England Buffalo Green Bay Cleveland LA Chargers LA Rams Las Vegas Atlanta (tied with Miami) Miami (tied with Atlanta) Arizona Houston Denver Detroit Washington Cinci NY Jets NY Giants Carolina Chicago Jacksonville

Strictly off-ball linebackers. Each team's top 10 players was leaked (though some overalls have been different already such as Tre being a 90 instead of the reported 89), but based on that relatively limited sample of players: 1 Bobby Wagner 982 Lavonte David 903 Eric Kendricks 894 Demario Davis 895 Dont’a Hightower 886 Fred Warner 877 Deion Jones 868 Darius Leonard 859 C.J. Mosley 8510 Roquan Smith 8311 Leighton Vander Esch 8312 Jamie Collins 8313 Avery Williamson 8314 Benardrick McKinney 8215 Joe Schobert 8216 Anthony Barr 8217 Myles Jack 8118 K.J. Wright 8119 Isaiah Simmons 7820 Raekwon McMillan 76

And also a guy texting one of the women that was on her way to a new job saying that if they hug on her way out and she feels something on her leg, it's just a stapler in his pocket. And also they allegedly caught a guy on a recording talking inappropriately about one of the co-workers and when it was reported to the legal department, they just took the recording and locked it up so nobody would hear it.

In my opinion they already screwed the pooch by giving Zeke his contract. He was the obvious choice to let go to maintain cap flexibility. Having said that, with the way the NFL salary cap is, I honestly think they'll be able to make it work just fine as long as they draft well.

I think these two posts kind of point to the difference between absolute potential and probable peak. Seems like Biscuit is more focused on the probable peak, which is likely lower than what Dak is right now, whereas Gunner is talking about pure potential if Allen becomes as good as someone with his tools can be. I think both are totally reasonable takes; at this point I think it's probably unlikely that Allen becomes as good as Dak currently is, but I don't think it's impossible either. And with Allen's work ethic and physical tools, I think he has a better chance than your ordinary young QB of defying the odds and becoming an elite QB.

Of course, but you have no idea when you say those things if they are or are not welcome. In a workplace, you have to assume they are not, especially considering someone that simply overhears it can be the person that treats it as unwelcome versus the person actually on the receiving end of the comment.

Um, yeah, that's pretty much the definition of sexual harassment.

My company is too large for me to really say, but my department at least is nothing like what this article describes (at least as far as I know). But even then, I vividly remember at our holiday party that a coworker grabbed another coworker's ass. I didn't personally see it but I heard the woman say "oh my god he just grabbed my ass" either to herself or to another coworker. And I know some of my friends haven't been as relatively lucky as me in that regard either. Quite a few have been pretty much scarred including at least two that ended up quitting their jobs because it was so bad.

Yeah, I gotta imagine this is an issue for probably the majority of teams out there. Hell, it's still an issue for a ton of companies outside the sports world too. You can even tell just by some of the comments in this very thread.

Based on what's been leaked so far (and some of it has proven to be incorrect, so maybe others will be too), it looks like an 80-81 would slot Edmunds in around 18th or 19th best at the LB position. Also, White was revealed to be a 90 overall instead of an 89 and 5th best in the game after initially being reported as an 89.

The article literally has the text messages in some of the cases and a few of the men that were mentioned in the story were fired/retired before the news broke. I think the idea of the story being false is already out the window.

Everyone I know was partly sad this story wasn’t as big as expected because they’re nervous Snyder will survive

Man some of the quotes in that article...like, I'm not surprised at all just because I know there's toxic people out there, but man I would absolutely hate myself if I ever behaved like the people being accused allegedly did. To be fair, I'm guessing your company has an HR department. This article mentions that they did not and that their legal team just tried to bury evidence of misconduct

Yeah, I think those 3 and Wentz are the only ones that are arguable. Kyler and Burrow could join that list in the future but for now at least, he's at worst the 5th best QB since the Andrew Luck draft and I might even argue that he's possibly #3.

Agreed that NFL MVP Cam was better than Dak has been to this point, but that's true of almost every QB in the NFL. Also not really a big deal, but just for the record, Cam's weapons in the passing game the year they went to the Super Bowl were Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, and Jerricho Cotchery. And even outside of the passing game, his RBs were Jonathan Stewart (who failed to hit 1000 yards) and Mike Tolbert. It was one of the worst skill position collections in the league.

I was mostly being sarcastic in my post; I think the bolded is probably true/it's possible Snyder didn't care so much about winning but simply wanted to hit on spread picks. I don't know.

To be fair, assuming Snyder wouldn't pay them to rig it for Washington to lose, it seems like the refs might not have actually taken him up on his offer lol I think the current belief at least is that the lawyers are trying to prevent WaPo from releasing the article in addition to the damage control that they leaked to Schefter.

His length allows him to disrupt passes that other guys wouldn't be able to, but I think his height also has a tendency to work against him trying to stay with guys as they make their cuts. I don't think he's particularly great in either area right now honestly but he shows flashes of it for sure. Also, you're bound to get a mix of opinions when you ask 50 guys to rank players. The question about his ability defending the pass probably comes from a few guys and there were also questions about how he fills run gaps from some others.

1st quarter: 133 attempts, 805 yards, 4 TDs/3 INTs 2nd quarter: 168 attempts, 1473 yards, 12 TDs/4 INTs 3rd quarter: 124 attempts, 1268 yards, 7 TDs/0 INTs 4th quarter: 171 attempts, 1356 yards, 7 TDs/4 INTs It doesn't really look at all like he piled up his numbers at the end of games at all. The only outlier is the 1st quarter.

Honestly think they're overrating Edmunds as he currently is, but he certainly has that kind of potential. Also, pretty crazy to see Richard Sherman only show up in the honorable mentions section. He was pretty much incredible last season and arguably better than White.