DCOrange

I don't know if Deion is on the record about it or not, but I remember seeing a lot of headlines that he was also saying Travis Hunter will only play for a small handful of teams. Deion reportedly plans on trying to make sure most teams avoid taking Hunter and Shadeur so that they land on the teams he wants. Could easily just be clickbait though, feels like Deion has turned into a very polarizing figure in college football. It would be very disappointing if Coleman ultimately is just a run blocking specialist/jump ball guy, but I think that still represents a higher floor than guys like Worthy, Legette, Mitchell, Corley, etc. just amongst some of the guys that were taken in the same ballpark (maybe a stretch for Corley but he was the first pick of the 3rd round).

His drop rate was 3.8% this past year and 4.2% for his career. That is lower than the career drop % for literally all 10 of our top 10 guys in targets last season. Diggs: 5.5% Kincaid: 4.7% Gabe: 9.8% Cook: 11.0% Shakir: 4.5% Knox: 12.3% Murray: 5.6% Sherfield: 7.1% Harty: 4.3% Ty Johnson: 12.1%

I guess this depends on the definition of low-floor. There's plenty of WRs that come out every year that have nothing to fall back on if they struggle to get open in the NFL and end up washing out of the league very quickly. In the very least, Coleman's run blocking and red zone ability should keep him on NFL rosters for a long time. The key with Coleman IMO is that he's a raw prospect but because of the run blocking and contested catch ability, he should be able to make an impact right away while he hopefully learns the finer points of the game and continues to ascend.

I'm guessing it's already been posted somewhere in these million pages but I'm too lazy to go back and check. If you haven't seen it already, Cover1 did a great breakdown of the Coleman pick. It is 15 minutes long, but does a really nice job of breaking down what they think Beane sees in him and some of their concerns (because it's pretty clear Keon is not who Cover1 wanted lol).

Sounds like Ken Evans Jr. from Jackson State may be our new target in the portal after Leffew chose Georgia over us. Evans won Player of the Year in the SWAC (considered the worst conference in Division 1). Interesting target though...while Leffew looked like more of a SG than a PG to me, he did at least play PG this season and you could see flashes of him making good reads off the dribble and stuff. Evans is purely a SG and probably closer to a SF than a PG. It feels like we may be angling towards starting JJ Starling as our PG at this point, which is a bit questionable. The other option would be to start our new transfer PG, Jaquan Carlos, and bring Evans off the bench (assuming he even commits), but we'll see I guess. Carlos probably isn't good enough to be an ideal starter either but he is at least a pure PG type that will play exactly the way I think Autry wants us to.

It is Will Wade coaching there. He's getting some pretty good players.

Leffew to his hometown school: Georgia.

As a fan of the Coleman pick, this is absolutely true right now. Field Yates saying he thinks Coleman can be our #1 WR immediately is nuts to me. He'll probably never be a great separator, but I think he can be good enough in time to be a good NFL player. We're getting Coleman so early in his developmental curve; he just began focusing solely on football two years ago and he's already strong enough that when he gets the leverage he needs, he can separate pretty easily. It's all about coaching him up to teach him how to create that leverage on a more consistent basis. The unfortunate thing is he struggled dealing with press coverage in college and it sounds like we intend to stick him out there as the X WR so he's going to need a lot of work on that very quickly. But when it comes to gambling on relatively raw prospects, this is the exact type of archetype I like to go for. 2nd youngest WR in the class, one of the youngest breakout ages, early in this developmental curve, lots of physical tools to work with, high motor, and a few ways he can contribute immediately that nobody else on the roster can really do.

It's um...a different group of receivers that's for sure lol. Definitely hoping we add more today. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that we seem to be going with a more balanced target distribution. We'll see if one of these guys turns into a dependable go-to option when things get tight though. I like all of our receiving targets (save Knox who I have never liked) but aside from Kincaid, I don't think any of them are likely to really break out this year. They all have potential though.

Okay our Coleman vs. Legette debates feel a lot more real now @GunnerBill

Should point out because I didn't catch it originally either...this is Page 2 of the most athletic so he's like #11 or whatever.

Yeah, if Beane was actually surprised by Carolina taking Legette, that's some serious incompetence. Everyone knew.

Yeah, the RAS numbers change pretty frequently throughout the draft process as pro days and stuff roll in. Looks like he finished at 8.18 but I think he was in the 9's after the Combine. https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=25172&ovl=Florida+State

Hopefully my comparison of Keon as WR Josh Allen is apt lol. I am admittedly a bit out on a limb with my support of Coleman much like I was Allen.

It's between Franklin, Coleman, and DeJean for me. I voted for Coleman but I'm not really sure to be honest.

I feel like Baltimore might straight up be worse, but if they're better, it's not by much. Don't think Jacksonville is anything to write home about either. We'll see how things look by the time the dust settles.

Yep, I think that all makes sense. You know I'd be very happy if Franklin is the choice haha. Hope I was on the right side of the Legette debate, but I feel a little relieved knowing we're almost certainly taking a WR today and two of the WRs that worried me the most are now off the board for us. Was my first thought when it happened too. I wish we knew what their QB board looked like. Kinda wonder if the only one they had real interest in was Daniels and once Washington made it clear he was their guy, they just decided to try to add weapons any way they could.

That's fair, but I think the WRs remaining today have as much if not more upside than the guys that we passed on last night. Just have to hope we get the right one.

I think all of those guys could supplant Hollins pretty quickly in the pecking order. None of them are going to be #1 WRs as rookies though. If we don't trade for a veteran #1 WR (which I don't really expect but it's not impossible), it seems like we're planning to go with a more balanced attack with Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, and the rookie all being good options.

I think if it were me, I'd be willing to move down to 35 or 36 and see which WRs come off the board again, but I'm guessing Beane feels like his mission to get some better Day 2/3 picks was accomplished and doesn't want to wait any longer to get their guy. Whether that's a WR or not is anyone's guess. My gut feeling right now would be that we take a WR at #33 (assuming we don't trade the pick for a veteran). Hoping for Franklin or Coleman and my gut feeling is it's Coleman. My sort of read of the remaining WRs: Mitchell is the best available in most people's eyes. Not for me personally, and I question if Beane views him as a fit for us, but in terms of the X WR skillset, Mitchell has the potential to be everything you're looking for. Coleman, Polk, McConkey, and Roman Wilson feel like Bills-types. I don't think Wilson really fits what we need and I question it a bit with McConkey as well, but he is a little more positionally flexible. I like Franklin a lot. Struggles with getting jammed at the line of scrimmage, so not sure how well he'll fit as an X, but he can really turn DBs around with his releases when they don't get their hands on him. He could be an X and could be a great WR IMO. He's sort of the analytics darling though and that's not usually what Beane chases.

He did, but other WRs LSU offered that same year: Xavier Worthy Marvin Harrison Jr. Brian Thomas Jr. (committed) Malik Nabers (committed) AD Mitchell as well as like 20 other WRs that didn't come to LSU. I know Joe Brady was the lead recruiter for Franklin, which isn't necessarily the case for all of these guys, but as the OC, it wouldn't be surprising if he was the lead for all of them and we obviously did not make a move for Harrison, Thomas, or Nabers, and opted to let KC have Worthy.

Edit: 45% of his targets and 46% of his catches the last two years were over the middle.

Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered".

As someone that has Coleman in the conversation with Franklin for the #5 WR in the draft IMO, Coleman has a lot of red flags. Whoever takes him is gambling on him being a Josh Allen-esq outlier. I am bullish though. Very young, very inexperienced (split time between football and basketball up until the past two years), has the size, elusiveness, and hand-eye coordination that can't be taught and seemingly has the motor to make the most of his gifts.

He's one of the fastest WRs in the draft, so no. I like Coleman as well who actually has speed concerns though lol.