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The simple way to think of it is that he originally has the ball sort of pinned to his stomach with his right wrist and then solidifies control with his left hand. By rule, the NFL would say he didn't have possession of the ball until he began holding it with his left hand. After that point, he got 1 or 0 feet in bounds. Therefore, not a catch.

I still wonder what exactly caused him to slide as much in the draft as he did. I understand not everyone was 1st round pick high on his film, but 4th round was pretty crazy IMO if you're going purely off the film. I know his combine was uneven to be kind but still.

There were definitely two dropped on what eventually turned into a TD drive. The other Davis one ultimately ended in a field goal I believe. Not sure if he had others in this game. It's just insane though; even after overhauling the WR room, they still have the same issue of these hugely impactful drops. Lawrence is playing a lot worse this season than he did in the previous two years though so that's only exacerbated the issue.

I am definitely worried about Lawrence at this point, but it's also just astounding the number of touchdowns his receivers drop. He finished the year with 21 TDs last season and it's not even an exaggeration to say he could have had 40 if his receivers could catch the ball. And then he had at least 3 dropped TDs today alone. Lawrence is undoubtedly overpaid for what he is (and has seemingly declined this season which is obviously not what you want) but his receivers have been so much worse than you'd expect. On paper, Thomas, Kirk, and Gabe is probably just a below average or maybe average trio of WRs, but in actuality, their receiver room seems about as dire as ours (but Thomas looks very exciting so far).

The pellets in that screenshot are from the defender, not Cook. His elbow was pretty clearly out of bounds IMO and the foot was close but I think it initially landed in and then slid out of bounds before lifting off the ground. McDermott did not take a timeout after the Kincaid pass. He took a timeout after the Cook one.

Looks to me like his toe hit out of bounds before this screen shot and his elbow isn't touching the ground in this screenshot. When his elbow hits the ground, it appears to be out of bounds. I don't think he got any body part in.

I don't have the PFF membership anymore, but I feel like I remember looking up Hamler's deep ball numbers from college and the NFL and he was bad at both levels. I think Hollins (and MVS for that matter) are likely better for those types of passes but none of them are ideal.

Having watched most of his games with Tampa, he was never a particularly good LB. Hands down one of the most overrated players in the league during his time there; he made splash plays here and there but was caught out of position a ton and is extremely fortunate that Lavonte David was there to cover up for all of his mistakes. He was particularly dreadful against the run, where PFF ranked him as literally the 2nd worst LB in the NFL. The Bucs run defense was generally improved whenever White missed time. As others have said, we're not exactly deep at LB so I wouldn't mind bringing him in for depth purposes or at least seeing what sort of shape he's in. Maybe things click for him, but realistically, he's probably a below average starting LB/depth guy at this point.

The Raiders game will likely go down as the biggest WTF game of the year. Losing to the team widely considered to be the best in the league is not a bad loss. Assuming they stay moderately healthy I’ll be surprised if Baltimore is not considered one of the top 3-5 teams in the league by the end of the regular season. Through three weeks we were the best team in the league statistically and Baltimore was still favored tonight. Everyone knows they’re very good.

I think he literally leads the league in drop % since entering the league. He had one outlier decent season and has otherwise been a liability as a pass catcher.

Flush this game and move on IMO. Baltimore is a great team and they looked it tonight. A couple unfortunate early drops and coaching mistakes put us too far behind and basically forced us to have a perfect second half to stand a chance. 3-1 and looking the way we have while doing it is still better than I expected coming into the year.

He hurt his ankle or something right before the season started didn’t he? Felt like one of those injuries that will likely nag him all year and I just don’t think he’s that special to begin with. They’ve tried lining him up all over the place; he just isn’t doing much with the opportunities.

Yeah it’s all very strange. Only the Jets lol.

I know the rule with swim moves is that as long as the OL just maintains his hand position, it’s not a penalty when the swim move essentially forces them into a hold. I think that might apply here too but not sure.

They traded their pass rushers for a better pass rusher that refuses to play football.

This feels like much ado about nothing. Arizona likely came into the game with the plan to attack the LBs and safeties by feeding McBride and the RBs. Then Taron got injured and the plan likely became even more to attack those guys. Douglas and Benford are the only strength in the back 7 so the guys they were defending weren't featured much this week. Additionally, the commentators mentioned several times that we were shading safety help over to Harrison to make sure he didn't beat us. I'm sure Harrison will have big games moving forwards.

That's great and wrong and all, but Eli was a sometimes above average starting QB and Lamar is a multi-time MVP.

It is what it is. Eli will probably be a first ballot guy this year and he’s never been remotely close to the level of QB Lamar is. The only active QBs ahead of Lamar in terms of HOF probability are Mahomes and Rodgers.

He could retire today and probably be a first ballot hall of famer. Much weaker candidates have and will get into the Hall of Fame.

That’s true for tonight but he pushed the ball down the field more than almost any QB last year.

Really depends what portion of the media we’re talking about. I think most of the film junkie types prefer Allen. First Take type debate people are more mixed. At any rate, I think these two are pretty firmly the next tier after Mahomes right now.

Of course the pass missed by a lot. Zay Flowers was running full speed away from the ball lol. I do agree it was a gray area there where you can argue Zay should have sat down or argue that the hole would have closed up if he had. Hard to say for sure which is probably why the miscommunication occurred.

I went through my annual exercise of picking every NFL game. For the AFC East, I ultimately landed on: Buffalo: 11-6 Jets: 11-6 Miami: 7-10 New England: 3-14

Yeah, it's 16 (not including Jonathan) so I'm guessing Vidal maybe has not actually signed. Either that or one of the players we already announced to have signed is getting cut.

Not like terrible person character issues, but I think there’s been some buzz that he just isn’t super driven/isn’t tough enough for the new staff’s liking. There was some buzz he wasn’t going to make the starting lineup for Washington and maybe not even the roster at all (but given his pedigree, trade was always more likely than cut). Olamide Zaccheus had passed him on the depth chart and McCaffrey may have too.