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You're correct. My bad there, I meant to say 5 tech. Which I believe is what Wilkerson played in the Jets defense.

I dont think the scheme held him back because the scheme basically showed he can play any position in the front four. It also showed he can drop as an OLB if you really need him to. I also dont buy he somehow underachieved in college. There is this weird perception his numbers werent as good as they could have been. He has some of the best per game run stuffing numbers of any Defensive Tackle to come out in the last 5-7 years, that includes Donald. The issue I think Oliver runs into is everyone see's his frame and thinks Aaron Donald and wonders why he didnt have the pass rushing numbers Donald did at Pitt, which is an insane expectation to put on any player. Oliver may not be Donald, but who is? Whoever gets Oliver will get a very good 3 technique who can be used as an edge rusher on passing downs.

Using draftek's rankings with a slight position twist: 1- Ed Oliver, DT 2- Irv Smith Jr. TE 3- Devin Singletary- RB 4- Austin Bryant- DE 4- Deebo Samuel- WR 5- Te'von Coney- LB 5- Myles Gaskin- RB 6- Wyatt Ray- DE 7- Malik Gant- S 7- Dawson Knox- TE

I feel like we are comparing a wide variety of vastly different players. Dareus is a more compact player which gave him the ability to play in two gap schemes, but he was also athletic enough to play one gap. However, he probably isn't ever going to give you the ability to use him in a 3-4 as a 3 tech. From the tape I watched on Williams he was asked to get up the field a lot, he did take on double teams but he wasnt a traditional 2 gap space eater by any means. He has scheme versatility in the fact he can probably play 3 tech in a 3-4 defense, or play inside in a one gap 4-3 scheme. I think Dareus is a bad comparison, feel like Muhammed Wilkerson is probably more accurate. He has amazing hands, just incredible to watch how effortless it is for him to shed blocks without allowing the guards and centers to get into his body. But he can be inconsistent, watch the Georgia game where their big dogs ate his lunch. That game made me a big fan of Georgia's center Lamont Gaillard. Oliver is a different sort of player altogether. The numbers may not be there, but he played everywhere on that defense. Despite his size Houston used him as 1 tech to eat up blockers which he did effectively. They used him inside as a 3 tech. They even used him as a edge rusher. That is why he is so unique. He can effectively play any position in your front seven given the need, and yes he also dropped as an outside linebacker on some plays. He can get overwhelmed physically when he doesn't use proper leverage, but when you talk about scheme versatility he is about as good as it gets in this draft. I wonder what his production would look like in a scheme where he is allowed to play 3 tech on 1st/2nd down, and then moved to edge on obvious passing downs. His get off is about as good as it gets.

Sounds like a job well Tim. Enjoy the afterlife! Just dont forget the Beer and Ice.

Bennie Anderson may have something to say about this.

This looks like the unlicensed garbage you'd find at the fair or a flea market. Truly one of the worst Bills hats I've ever seen.

I am not sure that isn't exactly how it went. He and his agent had a pretty good routine going for two or three days until the Jets said sign or we are out of it. He was trying hard to get the money he lost last year. Still think he was getting terrible advice.

Agent ploy. Pretty sure the Jets were the only team in on Bell and at that point they were competing against themselves.

I don't think Gary is going to be a defensive tackle in the league. He may have position flexibility, but he lacks one of the things McDermott looks for and thats production. He is a freak athlete, but I am not sure he is what they are looking for. I dont feel like Lindstrom makes it to #40. Much rather stay at #9 and take Ed Oliver and then draft Irv Smith in the second.

You notice Gase has taken to wearing a ball cap nice and low when he is being interviewed now. Even at the coaches breakfast. Dress shirt and hat.

Feel like they end up with Montez Sweat.

Your assumption here is Josh Rosen is a blue chip prospect. The more likely scenario is neither ends up being a Franchise Quarterback and you've just wasted two early draft picks instead of one.

I wouldn't be against it but I also don't see where it happens right now. Assuming Murray goes first, the Bills don't really have the ammo to move up to 2. The Jets aren't trading with us. Assuming Bosa and Allen go 2 and 3, who are you moving up to 4 to grab? Ed Oliver is much more in the mold of the Defensive Tackles McDermott and Beane have drafted. It will depend on how the draft plays out but I think Oliver will be there at 9 and I also feel like he is the target. McDermott had a comment this past week about how he feels like you can do more with interior rush than edge rush. Coincidentally interior rush is also the thing that messes with Brady the most. With is why I think Oliver is the target.

Same boat last year. Was very worried about Allen but thought Mayfield was a sure thing. I am not sure Ill feel too bad for Rosen.

I did watch that one. I dont recall the blocks. My main take away from that game was how incredibly fast the Miss. State defense looked. I came away really impressed with their speed, in particular Jonathan Abram and Jeffery Simmons.

Thank you for that. I've watched a few games, but it seems like he was splitting out wide most of the time. Didn't get to see him block the way I saw Hock. Oddly enough I came away not all that impressed with Hock's blocking. Like I said, he is tenacious, but I was confused because people were talking about what a great blocker he was. Was much more impressed with Irv Smith. The guy is a complete mack truck when it comes to blocking. But then I watched him drop multiple passes in the three games I took in.

Haven't watched much film on him, but from what I've seen he is a good off the line receiving tight end. But if I am drafting a tight end in the first two rounds I want a player who can be on the field on running downs as well. Hock is probably the best all around tight end in the draft, but I still say his blocking is more desire than technique. There are instances where he looks like he blocking while on ice skates. Irv Smith is a great blocker, but he has suspect hands. Again, I like Fant as a wideout just not sure he will a complete tight end in the league.

Barry Sanders was the best I ever saw play. But when you look back at what Jim Brown did in both the running and receiving game, in addition to how many times he scored in an era where scoring wasn't incredibly high I think you have to give him the nod as the GOAT. Top Five: Jim Brown Barry Sanders Walter Payton Marshall Faulk LaDainian Tomlinson Saw Tomlinson live a few times, man could he get the corner in an era of faster linebackers. He was a real joy to watch.

I'd take Haskins over Rosen in a heartbeat. Never understood the Rosen love on this board last year. Bad lateral movement leads to tons of sacks. Gets more balls batted down than qbs much shorter than him. Not a.winner. Has an average arm and isnt overally accurate.

Those cards you mentioned are exactly what I am after. It's kind of criminally insane the Bruce Smith rookie goes for 6 bucks and a Josh Allen is selling for close to a thousand. No offense to JA but it's Bruce. The 65 Kemp is a beauty. Trying to get rookies of all the Bills Wall and Hall of Famers. Picked up a George Saimes rookie for two dollars this weekend. Not worth much to anyone outside of Bills fans but it's a cool looking card.

The analogy to gambling is 100% correct. People buy boxes more for the chase. What I've seen more recently is a bunch of guys put in money on a 1,000 dollar case break with a pre-determined teams set for each person.

They are worth whatever someone will buy them for. The problem for cards started in the late eighties, too may companies, too may cards of the same player. Everything is over saturated. Rather than scale back the number of sets they were putting out, the card companies "invented" high end sets like National Treasures, which comes with somewhere around 5 cards per box and sell for anywhere between 800 and 1,000 dollars. Problem is they are still just paper. So once the interest runs out so does the value. It's a fun hobby, but it is oddly expensive for the "high end" stuff.

Development of joy kleptomania?

That 1960 Kemp is on my list for sure. The vintage cards just look so much better. Sure, they are worth a lot more as well, but there is something about the history and artistry of the cards from that era.