BigDingus

Happy birthday Stefon! Hope you retire a Bill, but best of luck if you decide to leave.

Beats me, I'm a homer, so I desperately wanted Mahomes the previous year. But whether it was Mahomes in 2017 or Josh the next year, I had zero faith in the Bills to develop a QB properly. I had no idea either would turn out so good. I was basically the only Bills fan in Lubbock, so I selfishly wanted to see the whole city jump on the Bills bandwagon.

Fair enough, and I agree that some schools just don't produce good prospects at certain positions. I went to Texas Tech, and until Mahomes, we were known for "system QBs" that only could play in air raid offenses, then flame out in the NFL 😆

Weren't Tua & Hurts both at Alabama at one point? Seems they turned out alright. And yes, I know Hurts transfered to Oklahoma 😅

A win vs KC would go a long way in boosting this team's confidence, but I'm worried there's not a lot of confidence going into the game. Thankfully, this team seems to always want to prove themselves against the Chiefs, so this may be the last chance to turn things around. People give the Dolphins crap for only beating teams with losing records, but that just means they always beat who they SHOULD beat. If the Bills could've just done that, we wouldn't be in this situation right now 😕

I don't think age is an issue. He's 29. The top 2 WRs right now are the same age or older. Tyreek Hill (1,300+ yards) - 29 (1st) Keenan Allen (1,100+ yards) - 31 (2nd) Davante Adam's (800+ yards) - 30 Mike Evans (850+ yards) - 30 Then you have the younger guys: Ceedee Lamb (1,050+ yards) - 24 AJ Brown (1,050 yards) - 26 Amon-Ra St Brown (950+ yards) - 26 Diggs is right in the middle. I really don't think it's age.

Not turn the ball over. And I'm not trying to be a smart ass either. As great as he was, he's got to stop throwing INTs. 8 straight games with a pick is not normal for elite QBs. No, he's not the reason we lost last night. But you asked a serious question, and that's my serious answer.

0-6 in OT through the Allen era. That's not normal. The terrible record in 1 score games is also not normal. McDermott & coaching is clearly the issue there.

The refs are just calling obvious penalties... Might want to redirect some of that conspiratorial nonsense back towards the players committing the penalties.

I think it's the 2nd one... The replay showed a clear penalty there.

Bills EPA kings again, yet coming away with 0 points in opponent's territory. What a mess.

It's funny how many dislikes & downvotes you got, despite saying this ^^^^ What, are people not happy with a Super Bowl win? They NEED to be told he'll also be MVP & put up some crazy stat line we've never seen from him before? Why? I don't think Josh will ever have a year statistically better than 2020. He may never have playoff numbers as good or as efficient as 2021. But if we win a Super Bowl, so what? If we haven't seen his ceiling, we've seen pretty close to it. Is he turning the ball over less? Definitely not. Is his deep passing getting better? No. He's on pace to get more rushing TDs, so that's cool. But Josh has only finished with an above 100 passer rating once (Mahomes has only failed to do it 2 times outside of his rookie year when on the bench), and has had double digit INTs all but once (in 2019 he had 9). With 6 games left, he's 2 INTs away from his total last year, and 13 passing TDs short. So to even match last year's numbers, he'll have to average 2 passing TDs & 0.3 INTs per game. But the way things are headed, it's very possible Josh breaks his INT record this year, while having his lowest passing TD output since 2019.

I hate it, but my superstitious side wants more red on red dammit!

First Thing's First had a good point about the Eagles a couple weeks ago. The Eagles defense finds a way to make all opposing QBs look like Jalen Hurts statistically. They put up a diagram showing Hurts' stats, then showed the average stats for opposing QBs when playing Philly, and they looked almost identical. The Bills offense SHOULD be able to produce against this group. As always, limiting turnovers will be the biggest factor. The Jets game broke a 6 week stretch & finally had a positive turnover margin. If they can continue that vs Philly, it'll be a good game.

His "style?" I guess being the greatest RB ever somehow isn't the "style" teams want?

Leading the league in turnovers isn't something we can just brush aside though. Nobody was praising Jameis Winston for being #1 in passing yards & #2 in TDs when he had 33 TDs to 30 INTs. Thankfully Josh isn't to that point in a single season, but it's still bad enough to where people dismiss the TDs due to the turnovers.

Hopefully 12-5... It'd be a bad sign if we only played 16 games again this season 😉

I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression.

And yet people won't say the same about the actual guy on the field making the terrible choices & constantly giving the opponent the football...

In terms of the trajectory of their team? Hell freaking yeah! Especially when you look at the state of their division, I'd take that in a heartbeat. The Jags have a good record, but they're not as threatening as Miami imo. The Dolphins ownership has also shown a willingness to go out & get as many upgrades and weapons as possible. The Jags are definitely a team on the rise, but at this rate the Texans will catch up fast. If not this year, definitely next.

How? It's been 6 seasons, and he still turns the ball over constantly. Are we hoping he just reverts to averaging 1 turnover a game again instead of multiple? Since he's been in the league, he's #1 in turnovers. This is a common theme with him, and no amount of coaching has changed this. Just some seasons he has less INTs but more fumbles, and other seasons he has more INTs with less fumbles. Either way he's never ben great protecting the football.

McDermott is the "MAIN" culprit? Not the players on the field failing to execute time & time again, or the person constantly giving the opponent extra drives every game? The game shouldn't have even been that close. The Bills shouldn't have been trailing until 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. The 12 men on the field was just icing on the s*** cake.

As much as it pains me to admit this, Josh has become the joke of the NFL this week. You can't go anywhere sports-related online without memes about Allen, NFL fans discrediting his entire career as "overrated," terrible stat lines like Josh having 33 turnovers just since the start of last season (6 more than #2), and just how abysmal he is at taking care of the football. You even have Diggs' brother pointing out how Josh only blew up after Stefon arrived, with fans going on to point out that Diggs even made Case Keenum look good... Just think about how insane 33 turnovers in a little over 1.5 seasons is. Nobody thinks Josh is "elite" anymore. I don't care about the "miracle" plays or how athletic he is... He makes so many bad choices, and it absolutely destroys our chances at winning games. He could've had another INT last night too, throwing to the most covered WR possible with 3 defenders surrounding him... the EXACT same throw he made against the Bengals that got picked off. He's not learning from his mistakes. And after he makes 1 mistake, he lets it get to him & becomes even more reckless. I'm sorry, but Josh needs the offseason again. Maybe get Jordan Palmer back on the phone or trade away assets for more WRs that can help mitigate Allen's mistakes.

It's going to sound harsh, but Josh cost Dorsey his job. Dorsey has had plenty of issues, but he didn't make Josh & Co. turn the ball over so many times... It got to the point where fans were saying Josh was throwing the game. Dorsey's gameplan was actually solid last night. Execution sunk it. Receivers dropping passes, poor decision making, fumbles on top of INTs... all soured huge improvements to the run game & overall balanced approach.

Just like he couldn't handle a snap in the Viking game last season. He falls apart under pressure.