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Mahomes' coaching situation is more of a differentiator, imo. Reid & Spags are both at the top of the game. I don't think the Bills coaching is bad, but there isn't a comparison there.

That was not a good Tyrod Taylor team, and they didn't have a good record, and they completely backed into the playoffs w/ a miracle play in another game the final week. Mahomes' situation was so much better than Allen's entering the league.

Chargers had some chances in this one. Not over yet, but feels like they blew it.

Gotta disagree w/ this. Allen has been as clutch as any QB I've seen when a game is on the line - certainly in the playoffs, and even games like last week against KC. Mahomes has gotten quite a few more big plays from his defense in the playoffs, and against the Bills - that's the biggest difference to me.

No - Mahomes' unchallenged scamper to get into range for the game-winning FG today was not on par w/ Allen's historic and clutch TD run last week. Not even close.

The Chiefs are my new "shake fists at sky" team. The Patriots previously held that position.

I think titles factor in. But I still consider Marino one of the best. It's less than 50% of the consideration. Sometimes, great QB's just don't end up in great situations.

We've discussed this before. I don't disrespect your opinion - but you're talking about more of a casual analysis. To say Mahomes has to get to 5 kind of shows the absurdity of the "titles" argument. It's hard to get a title. It takes SO MUCH MORE than QB play. It takes great coaching, usually a great defense, and generally at least some luck. It's really the old Dilfer is nowhere near Marino argument. Eli isn't better than Peyton. I could go on & on. Titles are a team accomplishment.

I mean, people ARE putting Mahomes in the GOAT debate right now - even though Brady has 4 more titles. it's not illegitimate. Titles are a team accomplishment. I'm hearing a lot of it this year. In fact, most of the football world is starting to make that argument this year.

You posted a pic - not the play. It was incidental. It wasn't a good call. You tend to appeal to the authority of mass opinion. Why are you trying to cherrypick that?

I've actually seen more speculation from pundits this season that Allen is surpassing Mahomes. I've seen a lot more speculation on that. Sounds like you're clinging to opinion from previous years.

Over 90% of football fans thought those calls were bogus. It's not like it's "tainted championships" or anything like that. But the Chiefs have gotten the benefit of more calls than most.

Some weren't penalties. Cincy AFCCG, Philly in the SB. Chiefs have benefitted more than most from bad officiating in the biggest games. Sorry 'bout that. And hey - over 90% of football fans agree w/ me.

So, a penalty was properly called a penalty. Thanks for confirming.

Oh, I'm sure "90% of unbiased analysts" is a reliable figure based on your exhaustive research. Allen is the better QB. Period. Sorry to have to inform you of this. Kelce is slowing down, and he's taking the Mahomes mystique w/ him.

I think that definitely scares Chiefs fans. They think it's "no argument" because of the titles. As soon as Allen gets one, it won't really be much of a debate anymore, imo. He's the better QB.

I want to watch the Pats & Drake Maye. The hype has been off the charts - I've gotta see if there is any there there.

We were really dominating that game up until the fumble. You could see the entire team deflate after that fumble - it was just "here we go again," and they never recovered. I think if Norwood's kick was good and we win that one (and I'm not blaming Norwood), we probably win 3 out of the 4. It became a psychological hurdle. I remember one Bills player saying 'we don't want to be Denver" before the 2nd SB, and unfortunately, we actually surpassed that. No one thinks of Denver's futility now. We are the standard bearer. Josh will change the course of that narrative. I'm sure of it.

Most of the comments I saw on the thread you posted were much more cautious. I didn't see many 3-4 score beatdown posts. You kind of cherrypick to fit your narrative, just generally speaking.

That's the team we beat by 2 scores last week, right?

I don't think KC fans are insecure in general. That's "in general."

I think I'd rather spend an entire week at the dentist.

Yep. They're Patriots fans now.

This was terrible optics - but man, it's just one fan. The reaction from KC is so over the top in generalizing about the fanbase - they see this, and it's immediately "Bills fans are trash!" I guess all fanbases do that to an extent, but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

I watched the replay. The game was so close; for some reason, when I was watching it, I felt like we were in control the whole time In a way we were, but there were a lot of "ifs," and certainly if a couple of plays had gone differently, it would have likely been a different outcome. If Mahomes led Worthy on the long pass, if Hopkins had hauled in that long pass in the 4th (he thought he did), if Shakir loses the ball on that 3rd and long in the 4th like most receivers would on a hit like that. These are 2 evenly matched teams. Like you said - they'll get key guys back, as will we. I'd like our chances just based on the law of averages. But there is a psychological factor which of course makes me uneasy - the "Bills always win the regular, then lose to them in the playoffs" narrative. That will probably be on every player's mind in January, and every fan's. On a more positive note, I don't believe they "switch it on" in the playoffs. They're just a very good team who has gotten more postseason breaks than we have to this point. I just wrote a lot, but didn't say much. I think it will be a game like Sunday - pretty close the whole time, and whichever QB makes the big play in the 4th will see his team win.