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Did Allen play in OT? Can't recall....

How about the 4th quarter? How about when it counted? Allen was better that game. The D let him down. As to "what I'm talking about," you contradicted yourself from when we were comparing JA to Cam. In their 5th year, JA had better stats across the board. Cam won MVP, though - which made him "superior", per you. You come here to hear people say Mahomes and KC are amazing, and woe is us that we'll never be as good. I won't say those things, because that's not how I feel about the 2 QB's, or the 2 teams.

Interesting. So NOW the stats matter.....

Who played better in the 13 seconds game? It's close, but I'd be surprised if anyone said Mahomes. But he got the W, and Allen got the L.

I disagree w/ the idea that Mahomes has done "more." Prior to this season, no one disputed that Allen had to basically put the entire team on his back for a significant # of the Bills' wins. Not all the time, but quite a bit of it. No run game, a D that faltered at key times, questionable coaching Mahomes didn't have to deal w/ any of those negatives. His teams have been better constructed, and better coached. Is Mahomes "better"? Objectively, I agree w/ that one conclusion - he is right now. But "right now" is the operative term there. We'll be able to judge that better in 10 years or so. For my own part, I'd take Allen over Mahomes 10x out of 10. I didn't say Marino was the best of all time.

Cam put the whole team on his back, eh? They are great accomplishments. But like I said, the MVP is a relative accomplishment, as in it's relative to the competition. If JA had his 5th year the same year that Cam had his 5th year - Cam isn't winning the MVP. JA was better in every category. The SB is never an individual accomplishment. I always rejected the Brady/Manning comparisons based on that. I happen to think Brady is better overall, but it's not the slam dunk many argue because of the SB wins. Brady had one coach for 6 of those wins - and he happened to be the greatest coach of all time. Manning had 5 different coaches. Put Manning on the Pats in 2000 and Brady on the Colts, and I'm gonna guess the SB totals would be a little different for each.

Football is the ultimate team game. Team accomplishments shouldn't affect evaluation of QB's. So, for me - that's exactly how it works. Trent Dilfer is not better than Dan Marino.

Some of those stats make for a valid comparison. Team records & records in the playoffs do not.

MVP is a relative award, and the SB is a team accomplishment In year 5 of both careers: JA had a better completion %, more yards, better QBR, and the same # of TD's.

I suppose the bolded is true if you ignore JA's improvement in years 3, 4 & 5. By his 3rd year, JA was better in just about every aspect of the game. Years 3-5 aren't really comparable between the 2 players. Cam was only over 60% completion once. He was only over 4,000 yards once. He threw for fewer TD's than Allen in that timeframe, and his QBR was worse. It would be more accurate to say Cam was better in the 1st 2 years of both of their careers. After year 2, there isn't a comparison.

I'd like to see Belichick throw a phone. Or a tablet.

That's real trouble for the Pats. We're basically as injured as they are - but our depth and talent is so superior to theirs. We can absorb it. I don't think they can. This game should be a blowout.

I said after the 13 seconds game that he had potential to be not just the best in the league today, but the GOAT. His skillset is so complete. He has ALL of the physical skills, all of the throws, and all of the intangibles & competitiveness. I still think that. As a possibility, of course.

I love Harris. I was surprised we weren't utilizing him more, but Cook & Murray have both been really good. Still, Harris is great depth.. Hopefully he's back after the 4 weeks and fully healthy. Is there a limit to the # of players that can go on the more temporary IR designation?

Mahomes has clunkers. Burrow DEFINITELY has clunkers. I find myself watching Mahomes, and when he makes a mistake, thinking "Allen would get slammed for that." It always seems to me like JA has much less margin for error, and when he makes mistakes, the reaction is more about "a pattern" than the fact that he's just a great player who makes mistakes or has bad games once in awhile. If I had to guess, I'd say it was because it took him awhile to become the QB he is today, and people formed opinions about him during his 1st couple of years, which were very different.

The offense is carrying us this game, anyway. They've had 2 meh games in a row - this has gotta be a "get right" game. Put up a 2 score lead & see if Mac Jones can lead a comeback.

I like the way both of these guys play. They just seem to be flying all over the place, and are always around the ball. It's a different LB corps than Edmunds/Milano. It just seems faster - but I don't think they give up much in physicality. Both Williams and Bernard are good tacklers when they have good position.

My thoughts on the game: - I miss the days when Allen ran for big gains - It's time to retire the "shushing" thing that players do after a TD

There is a ton of talk about tanking in New England. What do you all think? Would Belichick actually TRY to lose games? Obviously, not in the coaching - but in resting guys, starting different players, et al. Some would argue that they don't have to tank, and their schedule is really hard. But there are winnable games on there. They could get 3-5 wins along the way, and miss out on the top QB prospects (preferable). I'd be kind of shocked if out of the 5-6 teams w/ the worst records, they were the ones to really go all in on the tank for one of the top 2 picks.

I think the Pats have close to 20 guys on the report this week. And that's w/ an already bad team..

It's better to start off lackluster, and finish strong. We kind of did the opposite last year. We did it the more proper way the year before, but just blew it at the end of the KC game. Still, we were firing on all cylinders in the playoffs that year. I remember when the Pats used to start slow. Most of the nation would overreact..."is this the end of the dynasty?" Then, they kick it in during November and tear through the league until the AFCCG, and often the SB.

I mean - both of those teams have struggled a bit, too.

More worried about the Phins and Jags this year.

Milano is great, but not flawless. Even the best players are out of position & miss tackles sometimes..

I saw enough bad, meaningless football during the drought - which was lengthy. We're now the favorite in the vast majority of our games, and we have a team that can still win even if they're down a few scores going into the 4th quarter. The offense can be explosive, and the defense is stingy and one of the better D's in the league. We have a QB who is also among the best, and is always fun to watch. There isn't a single opposing fanbase who has us as a "W" on their schedule. No one wants to play this team. If you read other boards, opposing fans can only hope to get "bad Josh," or take advantage of some of our injuries. I'm happy.