Matt_In_NH

Well.....that sucked

Hes down like 150 pounds so probably not a good idea.

Don't worry about Star's tackle numbers, look at how the run defense is doing when he is in there. Lawson go injured early in week 1 I think, he gets the rest of the season to get going. I think he was showing progress in the preseason but a hurt hamstring is tough, even when you are playing, may not be 100%

Let me say this up front, I agree with most in that Benjamin has been a total disappointment. But the QB has something to do with this. I think part of this is also the design to throw to a guy who has not gotten separation. I assume to this point Benjamin is the primary target on a fair amount of plays, he is not getting separation but the QB is throwing the ball anyway. I am not an expert but this is what I saw from attending the game. The Packers confused Allen and the offensive line before the snap in terms of where they were bring pressure from. I saw at few times where a guy was open in a zone but the opposite direction of where Allen was looking. I think the defense was adjusting after the snap based on Allen's eyes and since he is not a savvy vet, he was not able to find where the holes were, there were some though. If you dont beat the pressures, they keep bringing them and that is what happened. Allen has to beat the blitzing and make the defense pay, then they wont blitz as much. He had time on many plays, the line is not good but not as bad as many are saying.

I dont think there is evidence he is a budding superstar and I dont think there is evidence he is a bust. He has made some good plays and some awful plays. We have to just give this time to see if he learns from his mistakes and grows into the position.

OP may be right but the reality is every team has second round busts. Last years draft was not bad....Tre White and Dawkins were good picks...White was a home run if you forget they traded back instead of taking Mahomes. Milano looks good for a fifth rounder Allen and Edmunds this year.....still too early to tell.

OK, so both QB's had their worst statistical day of the year this past week. Mahomes through only through for 300 and one TD which is pretty bad for him. Seriously, the 81.13% of people who picked Josh Allen and Tre White have issues.....I get that is the option we wnat to work out in the big picture but based on what you know now how could you not pick Mahomes. Beane did not trade the pick to KC, Whaley and McDermott did. LOL what do you smoke?

Lets call our senators.

What else can he say? We suck balls cause we have little talent and are building for years down the road?

What are you talking about? I never suggested that, stop jumping to conclusions.

Maybe but then why did he get so much work with the ones all spring and summer? This team mismanaged the qb position all offseason.

This would not change much. He does not see things on time right now. And trade mccaron. And give Allen very few reps with the ones all summer.

Dez has overplayed his hand greatly. The reasons Dallas moved on were because he is a head case and was late/no show to meetings. He is not a good fit in buffalo at all.

So what do we have, a WR3A, WR4, WR9 and two WR10's?

Hmmm that is Shady

I thought that meant a guy tackled him 6 seconds after he scored a TD

That would be useless, he just jumps over people...duh!

The NFL is a tough business to stay in.....lots of turnover.

If I had to pick today and my life depended on it I am going Mahomes. But the reality is there is not enough info out there yet. Ask this question in three years and the answer will probably be clear. Willing to be 100% of Chiefs fans would vot Mahomes.

There are only two elements to the rule, was the player defenseless and was the hit unnecesary 1. Was he defenseless? Yes 2. Was the hit unnecessary? I argue no based on the rule language I referenced but I am obviously wrong. If you are unsure about if it was unnecessary then maybe you get into is it incidental and could he have avoided it. Again the rule clearly ALLOWS for helmet to helmet touching which is what happened here. It had to have been forcible hitting the head or neck. I just watched again and I guess they can argue there was forcible head or neck contact but the majority of the hit was absorbed by the shoulder. White needs to hit him lower which might allow the receiver to advance the ball further.

Since you seem to be an expert lets have a discussion based on the rule. The rule is unnecessary roughness on a defenseless player as the NFL tweeted, not the new helmet to helmet deal. I dont see how that rule applies to this play. Here is the content of the the rule with the link below. Lets pay special attention to the bolded and especially the bolded and underlined Note 1. First you are talking about helmet to helmet contact, the rule has a note that says "Note 1: The provisions of (b) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent." I am not sure what (b) is referring to but this clearly says incidental contact by mask or helmet is NOT prohibited, isn't that what happened here? The rule talks about a player initiating "unnecessary contact" against a player in a defenseless position. I would describe White's contact a necessary, not unnecessary. He needed (it was necessary) to tackle the receiver and prevent a first down. The first section defines a defenseless posture, lets agree that the receiver was defenseless, by paragraph 1.2. Then we have to go to section 2 which defines the prohibited contact against a defenseless player. Section 2.1 talks about "foricibly hitting" the players head. No way I think that happened, the heads touched, not forcibly. Section 2.2 talks about lowering the head, that does not apply, White clearly had his head to the side to prevent forcible head to head contact. Section 2.3 talks about launching himself. Both of Whites feet come off the turn as he is finishing the tackle but he did not "launch". What part of section 2 did White violate? It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. Players in a defenseless posture are: A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass (passing posture) A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player The intended receiver of a pass in the action during and immediately following an interception or potential interception. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player. Note: Violations of this provision will be enforced after the interception, and the intercepting team will maintain possession. A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air A player on the ground A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession (Also see Article 9(f) for additional restrictions against a quarterback after a change of possession) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the path of the offensive blocker is toward or parallel to his own end line. A player who is protected from an illegal crackback block (see Article 2) The offensive player who attempts a snap during a Field Goal attempt or a Try Kick Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenselessplayer by encircling or grasping him lowering the head and making forcible contact with the crown or ”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenselessplayer’s body illegally launching into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.) Note 1: The provisions of (b) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent. Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenselessopponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/

Hes been tagged two years already...are you paying attention to the situation with the Steelers? LOL

trading for him is a short term proposition though, no new contract can be negotiated til after the year so its a half year rental. His demands wont change and I dont think he cares who pays him, he wants the most money he can get. No reason to think he will be loyal to a team that pays a 5th rounder for him

I hope you are joking

Gotta be better than Beth Mowins