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In the few highlights of this game that I saw, I don't know if I've ever seen less effort given from a defense, yeesh. It looked like they were doing a walk-thru.

I saw this on Reddit a while back, dude accidentally used weed killer all over his yard.

Yeah, this was my thought as well, they like the attitude he brings to the OL and found a way to keep him on the field. Looks like his teammates like him a lot as well given what I saw on the sidelines during pre-season games. Their struggles won't be anywhere near what they were last season. They didn't have a center who could hold things down, now they do. Dawkins definitely missed having Incognito next to him. I'm not saying Spain is on Incognito's level but he's an upgrade over Ducasse and Teller (even though I liked Teller and thought he'd eventually carve out a starting role). The right side seems like it's set to be Feliciano and Ford but they have solid depth for once so they have options and flexibility if the first five they trot out there don't end up coming together very well. Ford can move inside, Nsekhe can play tackle on either side, Long and Feliciano can both play center if needed, this Ryan Bates kid everyone seems to be hyped about can play all five spots on the OL, just up to Bobby Johnson to find where he's at his best. They didn't have any of this versatility last season, and now they do. Plus, the players are just better. I think they'll be alright. Also - I agree with you, H2o, I was just going off your response to the person that said they think the OL will struggle this season.

Media reports from practice this week said the first team OL lined up like so: Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Feliciano-Ford

ShadedBillsEnthusiast? ShadeAndBillsAdmirer? Meh, I thought this would be funnier but it's before noon so I'm still braindead.

Whoops! Good catch. I edited it to add him.

You'd think Ryan Allen would've found a new home by now but I haven't heard/seen anything on him taking so much as a visit with a team. I'm only speculating but I'd guess that the dude might have an injury/condition that's not public knowledge right now. Either that or Billy Bellychunx is giving him less than glowing reviews.

Yeah, I think it was said that they wanted to build on defense first and then work on the offense. They brought in Hyde and Poyer and then drafted White in 2017 which revamped the secondary. They found a gem in Milano and already had Alexander. Then last season they brought in Murphy and drafted Phillips for the DL where they had Hughes and Williams. Added more to the secondary with Taron Johnson and Siran Neal and now they return 10 of 11 starters and really look ready to take the next step. We all know how trendy it is to say they passed on Mahomes in 2017 but, obviously, he wouldn't have had the same success here as he's had in KC, and recently either Beane or McDermott said they just weren't ready to go after their franchise QB in 2017. Beane wasn't even the GM yet and as we see all the time, whenever new regimes come in they rebuild the team in accordance with their vision. It probably wouldn't have worked too well to acquire the player you think is your franchise guy without having your GM in the room just yet. They just seem to have a real close eye on the future as well. For instance, lot of people figured they should've spent a second or third round pick on a receiver but after the draft Beane said things never fell into place to where a WR was the highest rated player on their board and he's not gonna deviate from his board. But now, 2020 is shaping up to be a standout class for receivers which works out better for them. Thanks to everyone who took a minute to say thanks or leave a beer mug or a thumbs up. Appreciated!

Thought it'd be interesting to see how the roster broke down going by draft slot or undrafted signings. This list accounts for practice squad players and players on injured reserve, exempt list, etc. List is organized like so: Name (Draft Year/Overall Selection #) - Team that originally drafted/acquired player. 2019 Buffalo Bills Roster 1st Round Josh Allen (7/2018) - Bills Ed Oliver (9/2019) - Bills Star Lotulelei (14/2013) - Panthers Kevin Johnson (16/2015) - Texans Tremaine Edmunds (16/2018) - Bills Shaq Lawson (19/2016) - Bills Tre'Davious White (27/2017) - Bills Jerry Hughes (31/2010) - Colts 2nd Round TJ Yeldon (36/2015) - Jaguars Zay Jones (37/2017) - Bills Cody Ford (38/2019) - Bills Trent Murphy (47/2014) - Redskins Mitch Morse (49/2015) - Chiefs Jordan Phillips (52/2015) - Dolphins Dion Dawkins (63/2017) - Bills 3rd Round Frank Gore (65/2005) - 49ers Devin Singletary (74/2019) - Bills Spencer Long (78/2014) - Redskins Tyler Kroft (85/2015) - Bengals Davis Webb (87/2017) - Giants Andre Roberts (88/2010) - Cardinals John Brown (91/2014) - Cardinals Harrison Phillips (96/2018) - Bills Dawson Knox (96/2019) - Bills 4th Round Matt Barkley (98/2013) - Eagles Maurice Alexander (110/2014) - Rams Taron Johnson (121/2018) - Bills Jon Feliciano (128/2015) - Raiders 5th Round Vosean Joseph (147/2019) - Bills Siran Neal (154/2018) - Bills Lee Smith (159/2011) - Patriots Micah Hyde (159/2013) - Packers Matt Milano (163/2017) - Bills Isaiah McKenzie (172/2017) - Broncos 6th Round Jaquan Johnson (181/2019) - Bills Conor McDermott (211/2017) - Patriots 7th Round Jordan Poyer (218/2013) - Eagles Darryl Johnson (225/2019) - Bills Tommy Sweeney (228/2019) - Bills Undrafted Stephen Hauschka (2008) - Ravens Corey Bojorquez (2018) - Patriots Cole Beasley (2012) - Cowboys Robert Foster (2018) - Bills Tyron Johnson (2019) - Texans Dean Marlowe (2015) - Panthers Senorise Perry (2014) - Bears Levi Wallace (2018) - Bills Patrick DiMarco (2012) - Chiefs Christian Wade (2019) - Bills Cam Lewis (2019) - Bills Julian Stanford (2012) - Jaguars Corey Thompson (2018) - Bills Tyrel Dodson (2019) - Bills Eddie Yarbrough (2016) - Broncos Nate Hall (2019) - Cowboys Mike Love (2018) - Bills Lorenzo Alexander (2007) - Redskins Erik Magnuson (2017) - 49ers Ike Boettger (2018) - Bills Quinton Spain (2015) - Titans Reid Ferguson (2017) - Bills Ryan Bates (2019) - Eagles LaAdrian Waddle (2013) - Lions Ty Nsekhe (2012) - Rams Jason Croom (2018) - Bills Duke Williams (2016) - Rams Nate Becker (2019) - Lions Kyle Peko (2016) - Broncos Overall Players: 69 Drafted Players: 39 Players Drafted by Bills: 18 Undrafted Players: 30 UDFA Players Originally Signed by Bills: 10 Players not drafted/originally acquired by Bills: 31 It's almost a perfect 50/50 split between homegrown players and players acquired via free agency, trades, waiver claims, etc. Even more interesting, all but three players (Hughes, Alexander, Lawson) have been acquired by Beane/McDermott. They have certainly made good on their commitment to building through the draft and rounding out the roster with free agents (without breaking the bank to bring guys in). And Beane should be in line to deal out extensions to their drafted players Off the top of my head I can see White, Dawkins, and Milano in line for extensions as early as next season. And in White's case I think something significant would have to happen for them not to exercise his 5th year option. It's been great to sit back and watch these guys work. They've stayed fully committed to the plans they laid out when they got here in 2017 and refuse to get roped into situations that could be detrimental to them. Beane wheels and deals but all of his moves have been well thought out so they don't wind up in a Bill O'Brien situation with their next two drafts shot to hell and virtually zero leverage when it comes time for them to try and sign Tunsil long-term. Not to mention how Beane has been able to add some late-round draft capital for players that were likely on the way out anyway. And they have tons of cap space so they can head into next year's free agency without too many limitations. Overall it's just nice to see such an organized, forward thinking operation compared to the disarray of previous regimes. Go Bills.

40 is like their default number for new running backs that come in. Both Karlos Williams and Jonathan Williams started with 40 and then switched later. Wonder what's significant about #40.

I thought he'd stick given his importance as a special teams guy, played every special teams snap last season. But he's a major liability in coverage when he has to play LB. Minnesota made easy pickings of him a bunch of times the other night. They also seem invested in Vosean Joseph and Tyrel Dodson.

I've wondered this myself. Only thing I can think of is that he has some kind of injury/health condition that's giving pause to any teams wanting to sign him. This is just my guess. Haven't even heard of him taking any visits. Maybe he's done and hasn't told anyone? Dammit, Ryan, where are you?! We must get to the bottom of this mystery.

Anyone ripping on Luck for retiring isn't a fan at all and can just go get... yeah. Some people just don't care, they don't care to consider what these guys go through and what they're going to have to deal with in the future. Some people think, "Oh, well they get paid millions for it, so big deal, who cares?" and it's like they demand blood or something. Yeah, they get paid very well but I rarely ever see anyone griping about the billions made by owners who don't have to sacrifice their health to gain it. Money aside, they're still human beings and I commend the guy for making such a difficult decision. There's a strong likelihood that we don't know the whole story. Who knows, he could've been told that he'll never get back to 100% physically, or that he developed a condition that would interfere with his ability to play on a consistent basis. Rodgers on the other hand... great QB, weird dude.

Even if I wanted to switch teams (which I don't), I couldn't if I tried. I don't get the same sense of excitement/nerves watching any other team, just not as invested as I am with the Bills.

Hmm. I wonder if things have changed at all with the Peguals doing all sorts of renovations. I have a friend who gets to go to all sorts of events at the stadium since his mom is an employee and he's always said the events they have at the field house for the kids and stuff are great. Bummer that the stadium itself seems like a dud.

I think if anyone can rearrange the offense to fit Brissett's skill set, it's Reich.

-I don't think Josh McDaniels will be the next great head coach. He has horrible people skills, has a reputation as a sh*t-talker and a backstabber and of never being honest and forthright with players and fellow coaches. And him backing out on Indy adds to his already dumper of a reputation. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room even if he was in a room full of Mensa scholars. -Adam Gase might be a good X's and O's guy but he can't bring together a team. Time and again those Miami teams would quit on him the minute adversity struck and he was never really able to rally his guys. -I agree on Lotulelei, and it kinda coincides with one of my unpopular (I guess?) takes for this... the Bills sign certain players for things they do besides their on-field work. Lotulelei is here because he's the kind of guy McDermott wants younger players to model their approach after. Same as Gore, same as DiMarco. He goes about his business and does whatever the team asks of him without caring if he shows up on the stat sheet. -I don't give a rats behind what OJ Simpson did on the field, he's dead to me and I'd like to see his name removed from the wall and his HoF bust pitched into the ocean. Guy is a skidmark in Bills history. -Five or ten years after he hangs it up there'll be a massive story on Tom Brady and all the crazy illegal substances he used to keep playing until 45. -Bill Belichick is one of them crab-people from South Park.

Everything you said is fair. I suppose I mean I wish some fans would exercise a bit more patience and leave room for errors, especially with a kid as young as him stepping into a new position. He's gonna make mistakes and miss things but that's the only way he's gonna learn. At times it feels a player can do 99 out of 100 things correctly and some fans would ignore the 99 and focus on the one wrong thing. I guess I just prefer to wait it out and see what happens. If the guy is blowing assignments by mid-season this year, then yeah, I can see some cause for concern. But some people are just so quick to judge. Especially some draft nerds who look to find anything to reinforce their evaluation. Josh Allen could go out there and throw 20 for 22 for 350 yards and 4 TDs and that Cian McFartface guy would write 10,000 words on the two passes he missed.

Stadium tour sounds cool. I've always wanted to check out New Era but I don't think they give tours. Anyone know?

The near-constant "out of position" stuff drove me nuts last season. Yeah he's gonna get caught out of position, he's moving from playing outside for most of his college career to moving to middle linebacker and being asked to command the defense... at age 20. It's as if some "fans" expect perfection right out of the gate and if not, "FIRE BEANE!"

Barf. I wish the words "nervous" and "concerned" were treated like curse words on this board haha. Kid has played like a combined 40 snaps in three preseason games where they run a light version of their scheme and we've got "concerns." Bah.

Really like how Barkley's been playing. He's poised in the pocket, accurate, and clearly his teammates have faith in him running the offense. Duke Williams stood out as well. Not only made the big TD catch but also threw a great block to spring McKenzie for his TD. I also like that all three of the running backs had big gains. Gore trucked one, Shady got loose, and Singletary showed great patience and vision on his TD run. Cody Ford also mauled his guy on that play. I think TJ Yeldon might've earned a roster spot. He's had a couple decent carries and he consistently gets loose over the middle in the passing game. The sideline catch he hauled in was nice. What I also loved on that play was seeing guys like Feliciano and Dion rooting him on. People can bag on the culture thing or whatever but they've got a team that truly wants to play for one another and see everyone succeed. I love that.

I don't think many teams would give up a one for Zeke, and I don't think he'd be valued as highly by another team considering Dallas' offense revolves entirely around him. On just about any other team, he's going to be featured in the offense but not as heavily as he is in Dallas. So with that type of situation, I don't think any team would give him a monster deal knowing that he wouldn't have to take as much pressure off their QB as he does with Dak. That said, I'm sure Beane and his team would discuss it if it got out there that he was on the trade market, but ultimately I think they'd pass because Zeke is, for lack of a better term, kind of an a-hole with an ego problem who likely wouldn't fit in well with the whole process here.

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