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12/26/21 Week 16 Gameday Bills @ Patriots* Pregame Thread
oldmanfan replied to Chandler#81's topic in The Stadium Wall
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GDT: Browns @ Packers, Christmas Day, 4:30 PM Eastern
oldmanfan replied to RiotAct's topic in The Stadium Wall
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I work in health care. Our first responsibility is to our patient’s well being. That’s why we have always had to get flu vaccines and Hep B vaccines. The refusal to get the Covid vaccine for health care workers is: 1. overblown; in most health care centers I’ve seen it’s maybe 1% of the workforce, and 2. Has nothing to do with religious rights or freedom, rather it is a stupid political game as I indicated before. If it had to do with the former we’d lose people every time the mandatory flu vaccines come up and we don’t. As to rules changing, it’s because the virus changes, and our knowledge base expands the more we learn about treatment strategies and such. You should welcome the fact that rules change as it means we’re gaining valuable information. Because they shed it for a much shorter time period they are not as infectious as those who shed it for longer periods. That is math. And I’m sorry but this stuff about having all these unknown side effects is silly. The FDA and CDC by law have to follow up on every post to the VAERS data base and the reported side effects are very rare. I do agree that the omicron variant data is uncertain, but hopefully it is more infectious but less harmful. That is how viral mutations often go, and if so it gets us closer to where we can live with this virus. You can’t just claim there are a bunch of side effects with absolutely no proof. That adds nothing to the discussion and spreads irrational fear that ultimately makes it harder to beat this virus.
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If Star has had a family issue or such I get it. If it is him just not be motivated or concerned about Covid or something then hard to have any sympathy. But odds are we won’t find out what’s going on. Dawkins? The question is whether he feels physically well enough to play.
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Other than Vietnam, which understandably caused turmoil of opinions, and of course the Civil War, has there ever been another example of a national crisis (war, health crisis, hurricanes and other natural disasters, etc.) where everyone did not pull together for the common good?
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Ok, I keep going over and over this, but I’ll try again: There is a difference between what the virus does between unvaccinated and vaccinated people. The virus is passed in respiratory droplets and aerosols. The virus initially takes hold in the upper respiratory tract. We don’t generate an immune response against that colonization; what the vaccine does do is keep the virus from invading the lungs and other tissues and causing havoc. In vaccinated people the virus can hang around for around 2-5 days; in unvaccinated it hangs around a lot longer and can cause much more serious illness. That is why the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated vs. vaccinated folks. That is also why vaccinated folks test negative more quickly, and why they now are thinking vaccinated but asymptomatic people can play, because their likelihood of transmission is low. Is Beasley wrong? Yes. He’s wrong because the league set rules, he decided not to get vaccinated, and now instead of recognizing he pays the consequence he keeps railing about it being the rules. It would be akin to your telling your 5 year old he’s not allowed to do something in your house, he does so anyway, and you let him off without punishment because he didn’t like your rule. Mandates would have addressed all this stuff. You either get vaccinated or not play. There’s your freedom. I would wager large sums of money that Beasley has been vaccinated against a lot of stuff, gets his tetanus boosters and such. He and others have made the choice to take a public health crisis and turn it into a political game. And to me that is the truly ridiculous part of the last two years.
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There are different protocols because vaccinated people do not pass the virus along as readily as unvaccinated nor do they get as seriously ill as one can get if unvaccinated. I still think the league should have mandated vaccines as soon as they were FDA approved. Players would then have had free choice to be vaccinated or seek other employment. This is a public health issue; deciding that you simply don’t want to follow rules as Beasley seems to be doing is basically saying you don’t care about the guy next to you.
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Class act
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Indeed it has.
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Viruses are interesting creatures. You can get vaccines that essentially eradicate certain ones like measles (if everyone gets vaccinated) and you get some that no matter how hard you try you can’t get an effective one, like HIV. Covid is somewhere in between.
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Always enjoy watching the Bills!
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Yes. And everyone took them vs. 60-70%.
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Basic virology. Viruses have to infect cells to propagate. As they propagate they mutate. Vaccines prevent viruses from infecting cells ergo no propagation ergo no mutation.
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The point is the vaccines, especially the mRNA ones, worked very well against the initial and delta strains. Not as much against omicron it would appear.
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Yes. And 95% isn’t 100%
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No he didn’t.
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I said during the preseason we would lose our shot at a Lombardi due to Covid. And I’m sure fans of other teams said the same. I believe the owners should have mandated vaccination as soon as the vaccines cleared the FDA. Further, at this point if you’re vaccinated and not sick you should be able to play. I expect the latter will be the case with the omicron variant assuming it is as mild in the U.S. as it is elsewhere. Cur the freedom shouters and the vaccines don’t completely eradicate Covid crowd. When you join in I’ll destroy the arguments as they come up.
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To anyone my age it will always be the Fish
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I can’t copy it, but google Stacy Klutts. He is a pathologist who wrote a great article about the delta variant. Basically what he says is what we know, that both vaccinated and unvaccinated folks can harbor virus, but that vaccinated people start to lose viral load in about 5 days while unvaccinated harbor it much longer. And of course we know that the unvaccinated are at much higher risk of hospitalization and death. We’ll have to see what happens with the omicron variant. If suspicions are correct and it is even more infectious but not very virulent then the rules will change again.