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You know what, that rings a bell. I think you are right on that one.

He was telling a story last week about when he was a beat reporter, I don't remember where exactly, but said he always saw/talked to Bills fans, and something along the lines of we always support the team, are great fans, that we deserve to have a winner, and that the "NFL is a better place when Buffalo is doing good". Said (and I paraphrase b/c Im not 100% sure, but I believe it to be an exact quote) he "always pulls for the Bills". Seemed very sincere about it too, and I got the impression it is a fairly long held belief.

Kyle Brandt this morning on Good Morning Football said, "Sean McDermott is coach of the year through the first quarter of the season", and "The Bills are the best story in the NFL"... Now I know Brandt has a soft spot for Bills fans, but this is high praise in my opinion, and rightfully so. Looks like Sean and co. are the real deal. I am one still not sure if Ty is the franchise, but it is a fair argument that we have faced 2 of the NFLs top defenses, plus a tough Jets D. Hard not to be impressed, and I hope Ty will ball out against some lesser teams. Hopefully we don't do the Billsy thing and lose some gimmes this year after taking down contenders nobody though we would. If we do finish with a winning record, or even more if we make the playoffs, I think it would be hard not to name McD as coach of the year.

That's what I kept saying. If he has such "clearly regained control" as the announcer said,, how come the ball fell harmlessly to the turf 10 feet in front of him?

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I think it will be the death of tailgating. I would rather just stay at the Ralph as it is in fine condition. Buffalo doesn't need an architectural attraction to fill the stadium, and the folks here don't have big $$$$ it takes to get tickets at a multi-gillion dollar stadium.

Remember when your dad took that cat "to a nice farm in the country"? Try that.

I completely understamd what you are saying. Let me apply something commonly said by MMA referees upon accidental eye gouges or accidental groin shots "You are responsible for your weapons" True in football. It doesn't mean the player is dirty, or that he had malice aforethought, but you can't allow "benefit of the doubt" because it's a slippery slope. If it's illegal, even if an eagle scoops you up and drops you on a QB, you take the punishment.

Talk is cheap, and should never get players out of punishment. "But I didn't mean it" didn't work when we were 5 years old, and it shouldn't work now. Same schtick from Landry last year after ending AW's season. Do the crime, do the time. I love the previously suggested "out until the guy you hurt is back" idea. That would actually solve the problem.

Gotta give you credit for sticking with it, even though the argument has almost no basis for legitimacy at all. Like to see there are still some captains that will go down with the ship, long after it was obvious it was going down.

Conjecture and character smearing. How could you possibly know that? You don't. You are just trying to call peoplebwho don't agree with you "racict", "dumb", and "misguided" because you don't accept their view as legitimate. I want a real conversation about the injustice. America has a long history of trying to right it's own wrongs, and we are headed that way. This particular form of protestimg is counterproductive, however, as it alienates people who would otherwise agree with them.

Fair points. NFL doesn't make it's money on attendance anymore anyway. I like the idea of standing and singing. To the OP, you don't have to justify "breaking the boycott". Do whatever you see fit, it is your perogative, and you should not miss an opportunity to see a game with your daughter because others want to boycott.

What is really going on? Players are protesting the flag and anthem, but don't have a problem with the flag or anthem? That seems to make much less sense to me. These fans are upset with football, so they protest football. NFL players are upset with croked cops, white supremacy, and Trump so they protest the flag? I just fundamentally don't tunderstand how you can make a point that the players protest is somehow more legitimate. Clearly the issues they have a problem with are legitimate, and a big problem in the country, but that doesn't make the misappropriation of anger any less puzzling.

Yes, people who are offended are because of love of country. It is not important to them what players are protesting, but that they are taking it out on America as a whole. My point is these people are not offended because they want to defend Trump. Nobody believes that. They are not offended because the news told them to. They are generally offended by flag disrespect, and the suggestion that they are just dumb or misguided is condescending nonsense.

Yes, many have put their money where their mouth is and I applaud them. I was responding to someone who said these jersey burners were just trying to get views. That is what most of these players are doing too. If players want to effect change through real means, like the example you provided, that is awesome amd they should continue. I am not against protesting in general, but was pointing out the double standard.

But you can't extrapolate. How many other qbs on that list missed games? Lots of "if's" in this post. Wall of fame is not for if's and maybes, it is what have you actually done. He actually threw for the 22nd ranked yards, actually didn't make the playoffs, and actually quit on us after 1 season. Even if you did extrapolate, and all the if's were true, he still isn't a wall candidate for 1 playoff-less year.

Yup. But you will be shouted down. They have to make it seem like the players are the reasonable ones. Funny how the people who so strongly support players protesting will quickly smash people protesting on their own time. At least these folks are protesting the thing they are upset about, which is more than you can say for the players protesting. Others smash them for the attention grab, but isn't that what protestimg is for? Isn't that what the players are doing too? Couldn't they donate money to their respective causes, or would that not be enough "look at me". @promo... so people don't love their country unless fox news tells them to? I would argue that the liberal side of media clearly has more push because they are successfully running a narrative that the general population does not agree with for the most part. And it's gaining traction. People have lomg since been offended by flag disrespect, and your suggestion that they only believe what they are told to is another in a long list of liberals telling people who disagree that they are dumb. Next up they are racist, right?

Don't judge Orton compared to Fitzy... Judge him compared to the other folks on the wall. You will find there is no comparison. Taylor has 2 seasons over 3000 yards with the Bills, him too? Fact is, 3000 yards is not an impressive stat. As I stated on page 2, it wasn't even top 20 that year. Just because we have had garbage for decades doesn't mean we should reward less smelly garbage as fame-worthy.

I have never really understood the use of total yards as the ranking of defense. Points are clearly much more important.

I get what you are saying. I would guess alot will come back. But you don't know that. That's my point.

Come on Fergy. That 3000 yard season put him 22nd among QBs that year, 20th in touchdowns, 27th in QBR and he quit on us. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2014/passing.htm Nobody with those stats belongs on any wall of fame. Maybe if it was wall of flash in the pan, or wall of mediocre-but-better-than-what-we-have-had.

Yeah, I don't really understand outrage to that point. I have my opinions about the protest but will not be controlled by it. But what is overlooked, I think, is that some people do take it very seriously, and many of these folks actually may never come back. You can dismiss them as dumb rednecks like I have seen a number of times, but the fact is they are paying customers, too. Apparently they take America very seriously, so I don't think you can say, with any certainty at all that "they will be back next week", or ever. They see it as a direct shot to their core belief set, and often times that is much, much stronger that a sports allegiance.

Haha. This can't be serious. Look at the other guys on that wall, and some guys not even on the wall, and see how a QB with one year of ok football that then quit on us makes it. Come on now nobody actually believes he belongs up there, right?

Educated politically, not collegiately. They have nothing to offer as a party besides Hillary's failed "I'm not Trump" campaign and "resist", and it's easier to scare people into submission, just like religion since the beginning of human existence. It is obvious that the Democratic party is no longer for blue collar everymans. They are now the party for the elites and special interest groups, subsequently ignoring working class voters. They switched to GOP because they realized they were being left behind in favor of techies and hollywood/athletes who have more disposible income to donate, free time and influence to recruit, and an almost religiously devoted approach to politics. They needed to compete with the older generation who value hard work over entitlement, and will vote GOP down the line in every election until they kick the bucket.

Well, given the article is largely factual and number based as opposed to opinion based, I don't think you can argue with it. Average Americans realize that since we are a "melting pot", which values diversity (yes it's true despite what MM says), the flag and patriotism is one of the only things we have universally in common. That is why it is so important. We don't have 1000 years of heritage to fall back on, we have to relish the fact that we created this American experiment, and have done our best to continually improve it. It goes without saying that there are still many problems, but taking away the one universal common ground divides America even further, and is counterproductive to the goal they are trying to achieve. I agree with the reasons they are protesting, and would support them if they were actually protesting those institutions, but don't support this form of grandstanding.