longtimebillsfan

Amen to that!

I agree. Our patience has been pushed to its limits and beyond.

No problem. You are a passionate bills fan. I respect that.

Not sure you have read my posts. I have not suggested anyone be fired. I believe we should let this play out and give the current management a chance to work their plan. I do like your passion.

It's sad to see how some put unrealistic expectations on young players. Some positions like quarterback offense of line, and linebacker take time to develop. Some people were ready to call Edmunds a bust after his first or second game and he's only 20.

Allen has played in five games. It may take a little more time to let him develop. I would wait at least a full season before you declare Allen a bust.

So you're saying we cannot even be number one at being pathetic?

I am in the same boat. My first memories of the Bills go back to the 1963 season. Aside from the two AFL championships and the glory years of the 90's it has been bleak. If we don't chill, what options do we have. Quitting the team is not an option for me. I am hooked in there's no way out. I agree with you 100%!

Patriots 93 - Bills negative 3

Congratulations! When real life happens it does tend to center us. You are in for a wild ride. Enjoy. It goes by fast.

Bring back EJ and JP and let them battle it out?

You are actually keeping things in perspective! What is your secret?

I hope you are wrong, but this could be our reality. If this happens, our time table for experiencing success will move back another 3-4 years. When will the pain stop???

Not a bad way to go.

Try doing what I do. I slept throught most of the game after the 1st quarter Sunday. I would wake up occasionally to a terrible play and then fall back asleep. I would highly recommend this technique in watching Bills games this year.

That is the disease of fandom . The irrational emotional bond to a team with your city's name on their jersey. I agree, it makes no rational sense, but I have been afflicted with you most of my life. Read the posting during Bills games on this board. That is real stress. Do you charge by the hour or by the visit. Doctor, please help me... Agreed. When we get dominated in all phases of the game...there is no excuse. Nice, I like your use of Nate's name as a verb.

Let's hope you are right. that would mean a Super Bowl victory in 2022. I could get into that. Go Bills!

My faith in the process has been shaken, but we can not keep bailing o the GM/head coach every 2 to 3 years. I believe it is in our best interest to give McBeane every chance to succeed. I feel your pain and agree with you. At least we will get out from under the dead money. you have to take positives out of this mess anywhere you can.

In addition to his physical skills, he has high character,( he does not blame others for his struggles), and he seems to be an effective leader. If he is the answer to our search for the franchise qb, this 2-3 three years would be worth it (IMHO).

We knew going into this season that this year was going to be a difficult year. There were many weak positions on the team that did not get addressed, (ie backup qb, offensive line, wide receivers, etc.) It is painful to watch the team that was a playoff team last year have at the very least an uneven performance level from week to week. It is even more painful to witness the ineptitude of this team during the all too frequent ugly one sided drubbings. At this point, our expectations are low for the balance of the season. But prior to the start of the season, many on this board were saying that if we won 4-5 games, and Allen showed improvement, it would be considered a successful season. The expectation was that we would retool next year and start to be more competitive and move forward. Nothing that has happened today conflicts with that logical view we had the beginning of the season. I am as stressed as the majority of the Bills fans about what we have witnessed through 7 games this season. But I am going to take a more relaxed view and just have faith that the process will work and hope for the best. My feeling is that I will give McBeane through 2020 to prove they know what they are doing. After that, if the team is still a mess, then I believe we should move on and start over with a new management team. thoughts...

I agree with you about the poor quality of the Mountain West conference. But that is the reason we need to give Allen more time to develop. Hi has high character, very good leadership skills and tons of physical talent. I was one o. The multitude of Bills fans that screened "noooooooooo" when his name was called in the draft. But I respect many things about Josh now. He could be worth our patience.

That is the exactly the issue. The thing that gives me hope is that he only played 2 years in division 1 football, and just barely. I live in Las Vegas now and I know the mountain west conference. It is not a very good caliber. It is all most like going from a junior college to the pros. He will need at least a full year and maybe a little more. He is a high character guy with an incredible work ethic. He does not blame others for his failures. He seems to have very good leadership qualities. The past qb failures did not possess this set of character traits. I remain optimistic about the future of Allen. I am losing my faith in the process though. Yes we know this would be a rebuilding year. But some of the move that were not made are confusing . Why did we not get a better back up qb than Peterman. McDermott had a blind spot when it comes to the perceived lack of ability with Nate. I believe Matt Moore is still unemployed. He is not the greatest, but he would be an upgrade with our qb depth chart. We all know the many other confusing moves that McBeane had made. I want to trust the process, but that is getting more difficult to do.

I still think people on this board are to ready to call Allen a bust. He has so much talent. But is very raw in his experience. Once the games slows down for him and he can be surrounded by better talent on offense, he has a good chance to be the franchise quarterback we are hoping he will be.

You have stated a strong case. McDermott should stay as far away from the offense as possible. Throw what ever money is needled to get a first class offensive coordinator that can develop a quarterback and then keep McDermott out of the way.

How does this thread keep going. Have you heard the expression don't cry over spilt milk? Let it go.