lookylookyherecomescookie

Given Josh's measurables, those things that are facts, not subject to opinion 1. age 2. contract 3. size 4. speed 5. arm strength and his immeasurables, those things that everyone has opinions on 1. Intelligence 2. work ethic 3. leadership 4. potential 5. competitiveness 6. and most important-ability to be an NFL QB I was wondering how many and which nfl gms would trade their starting QB straight up for Josh today. I'm convinced that the pats would do it in a heartbeat, but only once this season was over. Thoughts?

There are a lot of people who love Josh, some who don't. He's got strengths, he's got weaknesses. But what I think is indisputable is that at WORST, Beane drafted a QB who is 1. a hard worker 2. a leader 3. strong physically and mentally 4. mobile 5. intelligent and most importantly 6. a qb we can win with I think on draft night 2 years ago, pretty much everyone would have signed on to that

I realize its a small sample size, but his 4th quarter qbr through 3 games is 125. Is this just an anomaly, or does it tell us something about JA?

in front of a speeding car-no in front of the dallas defense for a base salary of $570,000 and roster bonus of $709,898 (spotrac) , hell yeah, and I bet most posters here would also life is much easier when one is able to recognize sarcasm

I'd say it's actually good for rosen 1. He gets to play 2. 99% chance he looks bad-nobody will blame him 3. 1% chance he looks good-he's a hero 4. He gets injured-well at least he won't have to do this again for a while

Yes, along with all the other types of games

Sorry, but there's no way you can short Cookie

I find it hard to believe that in today's nfl ANY player anywhere is 'under the radar'

Wade???

If he did, "nevermind"

to all those who are shocked/surprised/disappointed- Apparently, not one of the other 31 nfl teams thought shady was worth as much as a 7th round draft choice (I assume McBeane would have taken one in a trade at the risk of "disrespecting" shady), either due to current salary, recent production, age, locker room presence, whatever. If 31 nfl gm's thought he had no value, what makes you think McBeane would or more importantly should feel otherwise?

speaking on behalf of sentient beings everywhere - nu-uh

At this point, one of the wide receivers or running backs on the roster would probably be a better back-up than tyree. Question, is it pronounced tie'-ree or tuh-ree'?

Speaking for sentient beings everywhere Nuh-uh

While I appreciate and respect the response, I believe this is truly the definition of moot point

if he develops, you keep him. He won't

I know it's early, and I'm certainly not anointing Josh as the second coming, (although he certainly appears to be moving along nicely towards what many think he may ultimately be capable of). It just strikes me that for the first time in a long time, we seem to be in really good shape as to both starting and back-up qb. Are he and Barkely the best pair since Kelly-Reich, the gold standard? How about Bledsoe-Van Pelt, or Flutie-Johnson? Any others? Thoughts?

my question was meant to discuss whether it is really worthwhile to use a PS spot on a developmental QB, or is there an opportunity cost to that, if in fact a PS qb almost never goes on to be a serviceable starter or backup, as indeed seems to be the case based on those who provided relevant answers, (thanks), and perhaps it is more worthwhile to use those 10 PS spots on other positions that have shown a greater historical ability to make an active roster as a starter or back-up.

That was the point-thanks

totally agree with you, IF potential for ultimate nfl success (however you want to define that) is no greater off PS for other positions than it is for QB. My guess (no evidence), is that is not the case.

the necessity of a third arm for practice aside, It appears the shot is so long for a qb, you might be better off using the spot for a position (Foster?) where the historical evidence shows a greater chance of success. As for having a player available to come in, even to back up in case of injury, would you rather have somebody like Barkley who I believe was on the street, and had minimal time to work with the team before he started, or somebody like Tyree? Maybe it's me, I just don't see any empirical evidence of much value in a PS developmental qb. To those that say why not, what's the harm, there may well be an opportunity cost associated with such a move.

But apparently, those that get the PS spot seem to go nowhere, with the couple of exceptions mentioned above

I realize the value of just having a third arm for in -season practices. I just think the idea of 'developing' a qb on the practice squad seems to be pretty unlikely.

There has been a lot of talk about 'stashing' QB Tyree Jackson on the practice squad as a developmental qb. My question to all of those who know much more than me, "how many qb's started out on a practice squad and ultimately became a legitimate nfl qb starter or even back-up? I can't think of one, but I certainly could be missing somebody.

you're my kind of guy, unfortunately I'm sure we'd annoy each other