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Great point. I thought it was just a courtesy they were doing for haack. You teach the rook how to hold and we let you take all the preseason punts. They have been known to do right by players but I like this idea as well

I just like up thread where you say it could net us 24-27 points. I don’t think bass misses 8 FG all season so that number is off. We might need that big doofus in case another doofus gets injured. To save maybe 12-15 points on the high side (he missed 6 FG and 2 XP with Bojo as his holder and 4 FG with Haack).

Specifically they have lead the league in total targets in 2020 and 2021 which have lead to number 1 or 2 in Total yards completions And TDs for that time span. Basically all the total volume stats. can’t find a good data source for the rec, TDS, yards but have heard Marino say at least once. The link below shows the total targets by year. So you’re right we are like dead last at RAC (even in 2020, that’s def a real thing) but the passing offense runs through the WRs still. It’s our fastball and it puts up big numbers. Either josh is clear number 1 in the list or this room is at least top 10 cause our RBs and TEs don’t do much (Knox catches Tds and converts big moments) from a raw stats perspective. I really think you don’t understand how good diggs is. Who is better on the boundary? I don’t know that anyone has been more productive in the last two years on the outside than him. Diggs being the best boundary pushes them to the top 10. I get it’s about the room but the alpha gets weighted more cause he does more. You don’t weight everyone in the room equally. In this analysis you should weight WR1 > WR3 + 4. So from that perspective top 10 basically is if we think Gabe Davis can not have his efficiency crater with double the targets and become a top 25 WR. Do you think he won’t be too 25? i addressed your comment on unknown pieces. Do you not agree we put up top numbers in the league production wise? We ain’t replacing anything special I think you agree there? So that’s the answer to why peeps think it’s a top 10 unit. We get some of the most production in the league the past two years and there is no reason to think it won’t continue cause we didn’t lose much and have the best boundary WR in the game. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets-distribution/?year=2021&start=1&end=18

Production the past two years is why. They are top 1 or 2 in most categories. Yeah they have unproven pieces but it’s not as if Beas and sanders are irreplaceable. I know you didn’t mention it about diggs but it’s laughable to say he’s barely top 10. He has more production from the outside than almost any other receiver. He doesn’t get easy yards from playing in the slot like some of the other top guys.

Lol. Josh makes them top 5 in production not just top 10. In the past two seasons our WR room has produced pretty much more than any other team. So unless we think sanders and Beasley were that critical to our passing game (think playoffs show otherwise) our WR room is easily top 10 and the production will be top 5 which will be a drop off from previous years.

6? Woah. I’m good with shaq on the PS honestly. Don’t think he would get picked up anywhere else. Call him up from PS for the couple of times we want extra emphasis on setting the edge.

yeah saw that (you saw Keenum started and beat the Broncos too? you seemed to indicate he only won one game) which is why i included their stats to date particularly Barkley's recent experience. Keenum has only had one year with more ints than TDs whereas Barkley only has one year with more Tds than int (both entered the league in 2013). Overall 78 TD : 48 INT >>>> 11 TD : 22 INT, and thats why i think its sorta laughable to say that Keenum would only win us one more game (again I dont think Barkley even beats Bengals resting their starters), if any. I dont think Barkley would win any games and Keenum has a good shot to go better than 0.500.

To the point of coordinators and teaching things. Many coaches host/attend clinics where they talk about what they teach. Many players attend summits and practices together. Heck players change teams all the time. It’s not difficult to know what’s being taught. It’s been discussed that’s how BB grew Brady. He explained to Tom what the coaches were teaching their defenders. This point is to say there is so much sharing now a days that it’s not too difficult to find out what’s being taught. Heck cover 1 has video of Kromer at a clinic talking about incognito and Bobby Johnson talking about Bates. This info is out there already

Disagree strongly. Keenum got 2 wins with the browns last year. I don’t think Barkley gets them any wins. Barkley has had one good game since 2018 against the Jets. You might not like what you’ve seen from keenum so far but he has done much more than Barkley to this point. https://stathead.com/tiny/WmGHY

No sweat. Ton of hot takes around and I probably missed what you were trying to say. There will be a surprise with regards to the roster. Question is sorta where.

Lol at the data is only one game. As if their careers to this point didn’t exist. Or that they don’t have contracts. Or that there isn’t a depth chart. Keenum is better. Yeah he doesn’t know the offense well but he has the rest of preseason and presumably part of the regular season to learn. Barkley will be QB3 from the PS. By far the least interesting room (in terms of roster battles) on the team.

He got the browns by when he had to start two games last year. That’s all you can ask of a backup. Get me through a couple of games. If he has to salvage a season he would probably be a starter somewhere else.

So basically no reason. I aint mad at it. Thanks again. big clarification

Thanks so no reason to put him on IR?

Would say Elam was more of a need as we had to be concerned we only had backup quality at the position (Rex at least had Hughes). But I also trust this FO to make moves to fill needs more than the Whaley FO. I suspect they felt comfortable being able to get him the whole time.

Mooney feels iffy. His splits with fields weren’t great. He was also pretty boom and bust. I’m not trying to put a lot of shares into that offense

Agree I was responding to a post that said put him on the IR til week 4. PUP is my preference if he’s not good to go because you get a roster spot and allow him to heal a bit longer.

Why not the PUP. You get 2 weeks less for IR but it costs a roster spot. Will say that McBeane has shown a willing ness to do that to immediately use IR for some players.

Good topic. One thing I’m doing quick is looking at who these players are going against. Im gonna short London some considering how bad the falcons secondary is.

I think dr Kyle trimble was more high on him being ready. He’s on joe Marino during season but was on cover 1 recently

I would also say you cant pay all of them forever. I believe Tre's contract is up in about 4 years so is also good to have his contract ending when were looking to pay Elam. I think the plan makes a lot of sense to maintain an elite pass D I also like how quick he gets it out. Don't think he really gets the laces much. One little rotation to feel it a bit better but gets it out of his hand ASAP. lets Gabe really get a good look at it while he has some space to work with.

Hasn’t he struggled with press coverage? That would make him less viable on the outside. I think I like shakirs release package more.

I don’t think fortune has anything to do with 3 starting OL that were nicked up coming back at the same time. Heck even dion got some time already. I think 1 week before preseason game 1 was a date to get peeps back. I think they wanted to give anyone with a boo-boo a bit of time with training staff before being full go. It makes sense and would bet its part of load management.

Different strokes for different folks. I would say ant isn’t so much a homer as only focusing on the positive. A homer sorta convinces themselves it’ll always be the best situation. quinn does rub some peeps the wrong way but I’m ok with him. Like I said I listen for content and I like the warm takes

Pretty sure it’s keenum. He’s at least done stuff in the league as recently as last year for the browns. Barkley is here to help josh from the PS imo