GunnerBill

Agree. I think that drive was the one drive on Thursday where you can question the scheme and the coaching. Not sure I agreed with the Bills plan there. They were clearly trying to hold them to 3 from the off and made it way too easy for them to get chunks and ended up giving up a tuddy. The rest of that first half I put squarely on the defensive players who frankly should be ashamed of their effort. But that drive before half I did not like the calls or the concept for what the Bills were trying to do.

Agree. Which isn't to say he is terrible at it but it is an area he is not elite. And as the physical gifts fade it will become more important.

For sure. But 2026 is definitely a harder path than 2025 should have been.

I strongly doubt it is that. They haven't really done much of a search. The Dorsey hire was open and shut (except for Daboll trying to take him with him to NY) and Brady got the interim job in season and kinda earned his way to keeping it (Josh likes him, he performed well and he was getting an OC job that round if not here then elsewhere). If they truly did a wide ranging search they'd have their pick of the best out of contract OCs and up and coming offensive position coaches. Problem is only way of getting an upgrade there is likely a good OC on a staff that gets fired OR an offensive Head Coach who gets fired and is willing to take an OC job. So, on the proviso that the regime - i.e. Beane and McDermott are staying... and that Josh will not have sufficient power to force Daboll back on McDermott..... I don't know if it would happen but Mike McDaniel is the obvious name if Miami lets him go or possibly Stefanski (who I do think can design offense better than he calls it but it is hard to know with the QB limitations). I imagine Canales has probably shown enough improvement to get a 3rd year in Carolina. If you are going to promising OC on a fired staff route then Mike Kafka? Bobby Slowick (not OC but passing game coordinator in Miami)? They don't feel like upgrades over Brady to me. On the other side of the ball Jonathan Gannon is interesting as potential DC. Very similar schematically to McDermott, did an excellent job in Philly and is likely out as Head Coach in Arizona. I liked Waldron as a candidate last time based on his work with Geno in Seattle. But it was an unmitigated disaster in Chicago. With a QB who doesn't play a traditional drop back pocket game. Now obviously Josh >>>>>>>> Caleb. But I think he is off my list for now.

He was a hot name a few years ago. Kinda gone sideways for him since.

Excellent drafting. Excellent coaching.

Yea I suppose I differentiate the "we suck" by mid season tank from the more intentional tank from the start. In the Jets position now you should absolutely be trying to lose.

That was definitely the plan. But what cab they do? The injuries are real.

Yep. It's the bolded. Where once he was the coming force he is now clearly yesterday's man. How much time can a guy in his 70s get? That is why it sucked as a hire. That was a multi year rebuild.... with a coach who is in his 70s. Nonsensical.

Nope. Was horrible hire. And bringing Chip with him was clown show territory.

The Cleveland 1-15 came after that and was definitely a tank. They even traded cap room for a pick remember allowing the Texans to essentially dump Osweiler's contract onto their salary cap for the cost of a 2nd round pick. That is the definition of a team trying not to win. But agree the Colts tanked for Luck too. They are the only two genuine tanks I can recall.

I'd take Addison in a heartbeat.

No I am not. The OP claimed he'd be the #1 on all those teams he listed except Seattle. That's utter insanity.

Coaching has been an issue this year. It isn't the reason Keon Coleman sucks. On what basis could he?

Keon Coleman wouldn't be the #1 on any team in the NFL. I am not sure there are more than 2 or 3 where he'd even get a look as a #2.

Yea it was Wyoming Josh's worst trait. He has mainly overcome it in the NFL which is super impressive but every now and again when his OL collapses as it did Thursday he reverts to type, holds it too long running around recklessly in the backfield trying to make something happen. To be clear though it was a symptom of the Bills failure on Thursday not the cause.

Agree. The Browns tanked once the year they ended up taking Garrett. They weren't trying to tank the next year they were just so bad they go Baker anyway. The last few years we have had the Browns (Garrett and Baker), the Jags (Lawrence and Walker) and now likely the Titans (Ward and ??) end up with back to back #1 picks. It is no guarantee at all that you get good. That uncertainty lf the draf and the physicality of the game (meaning it is really hard to tell guys putting their bodies on the line not to try) means that intentional full tanks are rare and I don't see it increasing any time soon.

Matt Ryan went to the Colts. He was washed by then but he went. Eli is one.

Beane does not have the power to fire McDemott. So nor, presumably, would in coming GM. It is academic though. I know as of two years ago for a fact that Pegula considered them joined at the hip. I strongly suspect he still does. If one deserves firing I suspect both go.

What gives you confidence VPG is any good?

I think Groot has had a decent season. It is just the Bills paid him like a player he is not. He is never going to be a big sack guy. He is a base end who plays the run and will have a big game as a pass rusher once or twice a year and otherwise he will get the odd clean up sack.

I wouldn't keep any of those defensive guys. I think Samuel will be cut. Knox will either be cut or take a massive paycut to stay with his buddy Josh. The actual tougher decisions are on the oline. At the start of the season I'd have said you have to keep McGovern but he has had a tough year. I saw someone the other day allude to him playing hurt, not sure if that is true but if it is that factors into the decision.

Yea the biggest difference to last year is the turnovers.

I do think Benford has started to come around. He had a very rough start to the year, through five weeks he was one of the worst outside corners in football. But he is playing pretty well now. Not quite hit his 2024 peak form yet, but he is playing better. I still have hope for that contract I think Benford is a really good player. I wasn't particularly a fan of the Bernard or Rousseau deals and while I understood Shakir and am fine with what we paid I am under no illusions about who and what he is. Well Ed Oliver and Hoecht are hurt and I made more effort from my Mexican sun lounger than Joey Bosa on Thursday. Once you take those guys out.... who do we have who rushes the passer well?

Some of us said after the Buccs..... this is about opposition nothing else. The Bills are happy to dial up deep shots. They took them against the Buccs because guys were open. Cos that was a bad secondary, especially with Dean out early. The Texans secondary is darn good. Their corners are excellent. I was one of the few who stood pat on Lassiter when everyone downgraded him for a bad combine. Dude can play. And Stingley is a stud.