GunnerBill

No, you don't. But when GMs have 5 plus years in a job certain trends display themselves.

I also think Jeremy was salty at the end "we are not playing fantasy football, we are smarter than that, and we are not here to be belittled" It was all a bit tense. Anyone know where Joe was during the whole thing? He was happy for Jeremy to take the heat 🤣

I think Jerry is wrong. It is not McDermott's influence. It is Hurney and Gettleman's. GM comes from team that undervalues drafting receivers and undervalues drafting receivers. More at 9.

Shenault will not make this roster

Wow. Just started listening. He comes in HOOOOOOOOTTTTT

No the argument I was responding to is improve the defense and you won't need the plays at the end to win at the end. You will. Those games always come down to the end. Now could it be that it is our D out there trying to make the stop that their D has the last two years? Sure. And maybe the defensive upgrades mean we will but I'm sceptical. And I guarantee if you offered any Chiefs fan the choice... final big drive of the game... ball in Josh's hands or in Pat's they'd take Pat's every single time. The same as we'd take Josh's. Yes you can win it with your defense on the final drive. But when you are talking two elite quarterbacks the offense should have the advantage.

Yea. But the Bills - Chiefs will come down to the end. The two teams know one another too well and they prepare for one another too well. The Chiefs ran 5 plays in the AFCCG they hadnt run all season. And then even when they couldn't move the ball at all vs Philly they ran zero new plays. I just think that is the reality of this rivalry. Maybe one blows the other out once in every 7 or 8 games. Most will come down to the end of the 4th. Whether shootouts or defensive battles.

I just really doubt that. I know it hasn't happened in the playoffs but we have played defensive battles against them in the regular season. 20-17 and 24-20. If we hold them to 20, I bet they hold us right around that too and it still comes down to the final 2 or 3 minutes of the ball game.

They had one for MVS as the WR5 early in 2024.

And to be clear I am not hating on the draft. The most important part of the draft is the premium picks the first two days and I think Beane did as good a job with them as he has since 2018. I am a bit more ciritical of his approach to the vet market in terms of FA and trades but I have no doubt the Bills will win the division and win a playoff game or two as long as Josh is healthy. My worry is that we will end up facing KC having the ball at the end, for a 3rd year in a row and not be able to get it done. And I am less persuaded that just upgrading the defense is the answer there. That isn't how the Bills - Chiefs games are. It won't matter whether we play a 32-29 game or a 20-17 game. The result will come down to the final 3 minutes and I think all of us would rather in that situation the ball be in Josh's hand than in Pat's. And then we gotta make the critical plays. Do we yet have the guys to do it?

I don't disagree. Was a tough year to be in that market. The reason I'd have spent an early day 3 pick on one is in the hope you might at least get someone who can come in for a specific package of plays that threatens that and where he has to be accounted for in the hope it dictates to defenses. Cooper gave us that after his signing last year. Teams felt when he was out there that they at least needed to defend the vertical outside routes and it opened other things up. My concern remains the Baltimore week 4 gameplan. Do we have enough to counter it if teams just say "have the outside, you are not hurting us there"?

The ones who do it consistently sure are.

The ones who can do it consistently, yes. The Bills only two potential options for addressing that this offseason were a trade for DK and/or a trade up and take a swing at Golden as a projection of a guy who might. But there are guys who can do it who are less all around consistent guys. That is what John Brown was for us in 2019 for example.

And for a first round pick not to be invested in you a buy that. For a fourth round pick not to be invested I buy it less.

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do.

I think Palmer plays faster than his 40 time, but he is more a guy who wins with his routes than just that vertical speed. Look if they can add Moore I will feel a lot better going into this year about the WRs than I did going into last year before the Cooper trade but I'm still not sure they have that true downfield outside guy I really wanted them to find.

There is more to being a vertical, downfield receiver on the outside than speed. A bit part is getting off press and his short arms restrict him there. I think you can do some stuff with him vertically if you can get him in advantageous situations vs bracket zone coverages but he isn't going to be a consistent enough outside vertical guy to back teams off the line with any regularity. That isn't saying don't sign him. I like the idea. Just be realistic about what it is.

He is a slot but he isn't Khalil who can only play slot. His route tree outside is more limited but he gives you something there at least.

I just don't see a route to solve the vertical passing game at this point of the NFL calendar. So having at least another legit WR on the roster would be more good than bad in that context.

Yea, more an inside guy than an outside guy, though he has played both.

I don't mind it as an idea. He doesn't raise the ceiling but he would give us 5 legit NFL receivers whereas right now we have 4.

So I tend to look at the 10 yard split and the explosiveness scores (from the jumping) as a decent indicator for that initial burst.

I think the acceleration matters more than the top speed. It's the burst off the line. At the top of the route it is about understanding leverage, route running and the crispness of your breaks that dictate separation more than speed IMO. Where speed matters is early in the route - it is explosiveness.

While we definitely still hit needs, this draft through days 1 and 2 was the closest he has ever got to BPA imo. I had all 3 players within my top 10 at the point they were selected and when you move out the guys where were sliding for non-football reasons Hairston and Sanders were top 5 at the point they were picked. This wasn't reaching on Kaiir Elam or Keon Coleman or Terrel Bernard etc.

He didn't have any involvement in 2017. He wasn't here. And yea I would remove Kelvin too as Beane was still in football ops then. Which goes back to my point yesterday.... 2015 was his first year in the evaluation business. But the other point on Beane is the two guys he learnt under in terms of GMs he worked with were Marty Hurney and Dave Gettleman. Marty Hurney was Panthers GM for 15 years over two spells. In that time prime draft assets spent on receiver: 1 first rounder 3 second rounders 2 third rounders That is 6 premium picks across 15 drafts. Dave Gettleman ran five drafts in Carolina. He spent ONE pick across five drafts on a receiver. Not one premium pick. One pick total. Kelvin Benjamin was the only receiver he drafted as Panthers GM. It's philosophical. Beane comes from a tradition of receiver not being a priority position. The guys he learnt under didn't value it. He doesn't value it. He has told us himself he believes Quarterback, trenches and defensive playmakers are the priority. Not taking a flier on a day 3 guy this past weekend isn't the biggest deal in the world. But I worry about what it tells us.... which is that Brandon Beane still just doesn't think the position is a priority. He'd rather have blocking tight ends and swiss army knife DBs.