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And did you see his expression when Fournette dropped a pass? I thought he was going to punch his own teammate. Can't be a fun guy to play for.

Are we still playing the "what two teams would you like to get rid of" game?

I agree and that's what I find exciting about him as a player. He keeps learning and we have not seen the plateau. Before the Cards game I was thinking, "One problem Josh has is he still does a crap job throwing the ball away." In his first year he threw the ball short of the line of scrimmage and got called for grounding. He learned, threw the ball upfield more and it got picked. It seemed to get in his head to the point where even this year he seemed to struggle with throwing the ball away (like stepping out of bounds and THEN throwing it away). However, just after I had been thinking it...in that game...he threw the ball out of bounds to throw it away, threw the ball at the feet of the back in the backfield, and fired the ball 10 feet over the head and out of bounds over a receiver downfield....basically the three ways to legally throw the ball away. He seems to always be improving on something so we just don't know yet where he will peak.

Learn from your mistakes and do your penance....It's all we can ask.

I blame Hapless. If the original gameday had not been merged then the good luck "matriculate the ball down the field" would have been in the pre-game thread. With such good juju this kind of thing does NOT happen.

Must be something about the Cardinals coming to town. I seem to remember a punter missing the ball because the wind blew it back at him before his foot hit it....pretty sure it was against the Cardinals and about that era.

Going out on a limb here then....but I'm guessing you didn't care for Trent?

Yes, remember the insane love for Danny Dimes? What about the Baker craze...or, of course, Minshew Mania.

Indeed. Quarterbacking and defending against young quarterbacks is all about adjustments. That's why it is a bit premature to get all excited about young quarterbacks like Tua. There hasn't been an adjustment yet. DCs will figure out what he does well and take that away...and then it will be up to the quarterback. Some, like Baker Mayfield, don't seem to be able to make those adjustments. Josh, however, has repeatedly shown that you may be able to frustrate him temporarily, but then HE will adjust and learn how to beat what DCs are doing.

...but I think they're getting ready to go on that run.

I think there's a whole thread about Highly Questionable....and there is Terry Bradshaw.

"Buffalo, however, responded to its challenge in impression fashion." I THOUGHT that when I looked really closely at the game that the Bills just looked like a bunch of dots of color running around out there.

Yeah, even though I watched the Bills game, EVERY time the "QB Allen carted off field" bulletin came up on the crawl, my heart would skip a beat.

Keep me ON the Christmas card list...but just wanted to add that I am not so concerned with the sacks. First, I think one area Josh will need to work on this off season is throwing the ball away. Early in his career he got a grounding penalty when the ball didn't make it to the line of scrimmage and then threw the ball further down field the next time and got picked off. It seemed to get in his head and he never seems comfortable throwing the ball away. That said, in this game he did the next best thing. He would push forward or try and slip out the side, and COVERED UP THE BALL. So, he didn't lose it (like Wilson) and a lot of his sacks were in the 2-5 yard loss range. They weren't those sacks where Josh is running around playing hero ball and takes a 15 yard loss. Very few were drive killers. That's why Huard made the comment several times that it didn't SEEM like Josh had taken as many sacks as the sheet said. They were sacks, but weren't terrible sacks.

I think we were making the same point simultaneously.

I thought he played like LAST year's Josh Allen. He repeatedly overthrew open receivers down field and made some poor decisions. However, more than the physical abilities, my concern would be whether he is progressing the way Allen was. To me, the ability to learn (and willingness to put the effort in to learn) has always been one of Allen's greatest attributes. I am not sure we are seeing a better Daniel Jones this year than we did last.....and that would concern me.

I think they even reported that's what he said. Even before that, on the field as the ball went by him, Diggs body language and expression seemed to be saying, "Oh crap....I screwed that up." Agree with most of these posts...quarterback is playing with anticipation (that's how he is beating blitzes) and those things happen.

Yesterday's offense doesn't concern me. They didn't do much in the first half after that first drive, but I am willing to give a team a half to adjust when they lose their starting center and replace him with a guard who hasn't played all year. Then, in the second half, they scored 17, which is not bad considering the emphasis on the run. The first half defense was good...but the second half defense....yeesh. That's where my worries lie after that game.

Hmmm, seems like I remember a young BB doing something like that as a Def Coordinator in a Super Bowl.

Yeah, and I'll be curious when people look at the all 22. Seeing it live, it looked to me that if Diggs crosses in front of the DB toward the post, Josh hits him in stride and he's gone.

And would like to see him behind Feliciano....could see that as a good power running combo.

Even more fun to listen to WEEI.

Wait...are you saying that nobody circles the wagons like....the New England Patriots?! Well...that doesn't sound right.

The locker room...but seemingly nobody else. That's why I would call this team player respectful, rather than player friendly. To me, someone like Rex Ryan is player friendly and just seems to be happy to put up with anything. This organization actually seems to have little patience for someone who doesn't fit...whether it be because of attitude, work ethic, being in shape, or even just scheme. We saw that early with players like Sammy Watkins and Dareus, and recently with Spain. They WILL cut guys loose if they don't think they are helping the team. However, what they won't do is talk about that player to the media or other teams. We can guess from what we saw on the field that Spain was not in shape and was playing poorly...but we don't hear the team say that (unlike Poe in Dallas). Adam Gase is always talking crap about his players either openly or in very loud leaks to the media. There's none of that here. I think players like the respect...but also the demand for accountability.