Kirby Jackson

I guess this is the disagreement. I think Tyrod is a decent game manager. I think 99% of the people in the NFL would agree with that. Nathan Peterman is light years from that point. If Peterman ever achieved what Taylor has it would be a miracle. We are all in agreement that Taylor is no better than okay. Peterman is so far from “okay” with a ceiling that probably doesn’t even reach that. There is little to no chance that Peterman starts 40 something games with a winning record and 3:1 TD to INT. You hate Tyrod but are willing to give a lot of slack to a guy who has less than a 1% chance of replicating Tyrod’s career.

I feel the opposite. I can’t figure out why some people are so hopeful for him? He has been awful when given the chance and was the 191st pick for a reason. Where is the optimism coming from? @Alphadawg7 did a pretty good job of saying what ACTUALLY happened not what we want to happen.

They changed the name a couple of years ago. The logos are awesome!!

Timberwolves went to the playoffs this year. Also, I did the minor league thing last night. We went to the Baby Cakes game. Thursday’s they do $2 beers and you can bring your dog. 5 of us went (plus my dog). We tailgated, played cornhole and drank about 15 beers over the course of the night. It was a lot of fun.

I didn’t say that he was. I said that he’d be “a great #2 option.” He has never been the top focus of a defense in the passing game though, that’s been Gronk. The rest of New England’s receivers have been interchangeable depending on the opponent. Edelman has consistently done his work from the slot where he has been the most consistent of New England’s wide receivers.

I voted Anderson. He’s the most well rounded of the guys. He’s the only guys on that list that can be a number 1 IMO. Benjamin and Edleman are good complimentary players and would be great #2 options. Anderson is still getting better (even though he’s a lunatic) while Benjamin and Edelman may not be.

24 pages later some people just can’t stop talking about our former quarterback.

Just wait until he tells the fans to “enjoy their little jobs.” He will be public enemy #1.

At least it is original

Good to hear positive things about Allen.

Let’s go another direction. A segment of the fans should dress as sparrows from Game of Thrones. They should seek out opposing team fans walking towards the stadium and turn it into a walk of atonement. Someone has a bell and starts the “shame” chant and all surrounding Bills fans join in. https://youtu.be/M-9u6msqJNo

They may start games but will never be high end starters. Peterman’s issues are well documented (lack of arm strength, struggles with pressure, spotty accuracy) and McCarron is a limited athlete with limited arm strength. They both can be game managers but neither can be “the guy” on a championship caliber team. That’s why they went in the 5th. That’s why McCarron got the contract that he did. I guess “anything is possible” but I’d say that there’s a .5% chance of either of those guys being elite QBs. The Bills aren’t betting on the long shot. They are betting on the guy with all of the talent in the world. That’s why I keep saying that the Bills concern is Allen’s development and not the day 1 starter. Those guys may keep the seat warm but they aren’t battling him for the job. It’s his as soon as he is ready. We all better hope that the Bills were right or start looking at the QB class in the 2020 draft. Jake Frohm anyone? How about Tua Tagovailoa?

I don’t think that I was there for Arkansas but might have been. I went to LSU-Auburn, and Auburn-Alabama last year. That was my first Iron Bowl and it was pretty incredible.

Hey, we all agree that the Bills needed to add their franchise QB this offseason. They did. It’s just a matter of whether or not he will be that. Teams hit at a pretty high percentage in that area but Allen has a massive ceiling and a pretty low floor. The other QBs are just there. They aren’t viable long-term options. They don’t have the requisite skills to be more than bottom end starters or backups. We had a guy that was better than that (a decent game manager). We need a guy who is THE answer. That will either be Allen or we will be looking again in 2 years like Denver did with Lynch.

It’s not a disaster to anyone. Only some people care more about players than the team. Those people are still actively participating in a 23 page thread talking about former players. Wanting Nate to succeed and thinking he will are 2 totally different things. I WANT him to be a superstar. I will be shocked if that happens.

It would be amazing. We have been waiting on a guy forever. We’d have Allen as trade bait and maybe even McCarron.

I wonder what the actual odds of it are? If Peterman is the starter and you bet a 10 week parlay, Bills money line x10 what would it pay? They will only be the favorites in a game or 2 at that point. 50,000 to 1? It is probably something like that.

He was, so was Marino.

I think that the best scenario is a QB on a contender goes down in the preseason. Say Brees goes down with a torn ACL. The Saints may look to acquire McCarron. They have no first next year and a 38 year-old QB with a torn ACL. Maybe they’ll give a 2nd to take a chance that McCarron is the answer? That’s wishful thinking but not CRAZY. Minnesota gave up a 1st and 4th or something for Bradford in a similar situation. It would have to be the PERFECT situation of a contending team, with a closing window and an older or questionable QB. The Saints, Pats, Chargers, Steelers, Vikings (maybe), and Jags are the teams that come to mind.

Less than 1% that the Bills start 10-0 with Peterman having a 3:1 TD to INT?!? You think that their is less than a 1% chance that he is the MVP of the NFL through 10 weeks? You are so negative.

I don’t deny that. Last year the Bills traded Dareus despite a 4-2 start (good point by Happy Days). They ran Peterman out there at 5-4. The goal of this regime is long-term sustained success. They aren’t trying to get a wild card berth. They are trying to win a Super Bowl. FWIW, I’m on record as having serious concerns about Allen. I’m also on record as saying that he likely needs a red shirt year. He wasn’t near the top of my QB list. The Bills CLEARLY feel differently. He has been “their guy” for quite some time. This team is targeting 2019 as the time to be a competitor. They are building towards that. They have 9 picks, almost $100M in so space and solid defensive pieces in place. They still haven’t addressed the offense. Outside of Dawkins and Allen none of these guys are “definitely” a part of the future. They are hoping that some guys like Zay, maybe Teller and others are a part of that. The Bills are not going to go into 2019 with Allen as an unknown. They are going to try to get him experience so that he hits the ground running next year. Beane and McDermott’s careers ride on him. That’s the nature of the NFL. I’m really surprised that anyone views this situation differently? That doesn’t mean that it will work or fail. It just means that “IS” the plan. The Bills have said repeatedly that this won’t happen overnight. By this time next year though the foundation of the team moving forward will be in place.

I’ve extended and open invitation to come down for any LSU game that you guys want. It is INSANE. They do play UGA the day before the Bills Texans. It’s only about 3 - 3.5 hours from there. They also have home games with Ole Miss, Miss. St. and Alabama this year.

That’s the crazy part. They took him early, were DESPERATE for a QB and he never even attempted a pass. That’s pretty nuts. He must be a special line of terrible.

100% agree My point was just he offers SOMETHING. Sully and Bucky at this point are nothing more than tired, negative content. That used to be the way to get attention. Now, you just need to be interesting and fresh. They are neither. People will accept negativity if it is new but writing “same ol’ Bills” articles over and over doesn’t work anymore.

Tim Graham is a petulant child on Twitter. Tim Graham’s long story pieces are some of the best sports journalism I’ve ever seen. Unlike the other guys at TBN he was an asset.