Kirby Jackson

You think that it’s a talented trio? I think that they have 2 guys that are backups and a high ceiling, low floor rookie. If Allen hits the ceiling the Bills are in good shape. If he doesn’t they will have one of the worst QB situations in the league.

Q. Why does Jared from Subway like twenty eight year-olds? A. Because there is twenty of them.

It’s not about making it better or higher rank. It’s about how the situation played out. Dennison was in charge of the offense. He pushed for that move and McDermott gave him an opportunity to prove what he believed was right. It wasn’t right. McDermott held him accountable by firing him. It’s not rare at all though for a coordinator or a position coach to make changes. They are much closer to the situation than the HC. Dennison was the one in the film room, offensive meeting room and in the huddle at practice. The HC is the CEO and ultimately signs off on everything but that doesn’t mean that’s what he would have done. Agreeing to something and asking for something are 2 different things. I would say that’s true. The arms are maybe comparable but Peterman is a better athlete than McCarron. Peterman is an underrated athlete.

Yes, 100%

Yeah, he was taking some heat for the offense’s regression. They were a top 10 scoring offense 2 straight years and then fell flat. He believed that it was because Tyrod wasn’t equipped to run his offense (which he wasn’t). Dennison felt that Peterman would deliver the ball on time and was more suited to run the west coast offense. When it failed that was basically the nail in Dennison’s coffin. Anybody though that makes players fit their system instead of making their system fit the players is destined to fail. I’m encouraged by Daboll’s strong belief that you play to your strengths and to an opponents weakness. FWIW, and I don’t know if I should be sharing this McDermott actually apologized to the team about it after. I actually thought that McDermott showed great leadership in that situation. He took the bullet publicly and held himself accountable to the team.

Hokie and I exchanged PMs on it earlier in the week. We had heard the exact same thing from 3 different people in the room. Dennison was 100% the reason that the move was made.

It had to do with “future earnings” I think. Basically, his claim is that the injury pretty much ended his earning potential. It’s not crazy to think that the $2.5m could have been about $4m a year for 3 years. Also, only a portion of the damages were compensatory and part was punitive. The court held them accountable for their negligence.

So far in this thread you’ve suggested 2 hypotheticals: 1. What if Peterman starts 10-0 with a 3:1 TD:INT? 2. What if the qb with the lowest int percentage ever, threw 5 INTs in the 1st half against the Chargers? Why not, “what if LeSean McCoy runs for 14,000 yards this season?”

The worst thing to happen to us was Peterman playing great against Clemson. It gave people false hope. I do agree that he is smart and he is WAY underrated as an athlete. McCarron wouldn’t have played ahead of Taylor. There is a reason that a team gave up pick 65 and is paying Tyrod $18m instead of just signing McCarron for $5m. Allen is the only guy that matters in this conversation. Everyone else is vying to be a decent place holder for a couple of months at most.

I guess this is the disagreement. I think Tyrod is a decent game manager. I think 99% of the people in the NFL would agree with that. Nathan Peterman is light years from that point. If Peterman ever achieved what Taylor has it would be a miracle. We are all in agreement that Taylor is no better than okay. Peterman is so far from “okay” with a ceiling that probably doesn’t even reach that. There is little to no chance that Peterman starts 40 something games with a winning record and 3:1 TD to INT. You hate Tyrod but are willing to give a lot of slack to a guy who has less than a 1% chance of replicating Tyrod’s career.

I feel the opposite. I can’t figure out why some people are so hopeful for him? He has been awful when given the chance and was the 191st pick for a reason. Where is the optimism coming from? @Alphadawg7 did a pretty good job of saying what ACTUALLY happened not what we want to happen.

They changed the name a couple of years ago. The logos are awesome!!

Timberwolves went to the playoffs this year. Also, I did the minor league thing last night. We went to the Baby Cakes game. Thursday’s they do $2 beers and you can bring your dog. 5 of us went (plus my dog). We tailgated, played cornhole and drank about 15 beers over the course of the night. It was a lot of fun.

I didn’t say that he was. I said that he’d be “a great #2 option.” He has never been the top focus of a defense in the passing game though, that’s been Gronk. The rest of New England’s receivers have been interchangeable depending on the opponent. Edelman has consistently done his work from the slot where he has been the most consistent of New England’s wide receivers.

I voted Anderson. He’s the most well rounded of the guys. He’s the only guys on that list that can be a number 1 IMO. Benjamin and Edleman are good complimentary players and would be great #2 options. Anderson is still getting better (even though he’s a lunatic) while Benjamin and Edelman may not be.

24 pages later some people just can’t stop talking about our former quarterback.

Just wait until he tells the fans to “enjoy their little jobs.” He will be public enemy #1.

At least it is original

Good to hear positive things about Allen.

Let’s go another direction. A segment of the fans should dress as sparrows from Game of Thrones. They should seek out opposing team fans walking towards the stadium and turn it into a walk of atonement. Someone has a bell and starts the “shame” chant and all surrounding Bills fans join in. https://youtu.be/M-9u6msqJNo

They may start games but will never be high end starters. Peterman’s issues are well documented (lack of arm strength, struggles with pressure, spotty accuracy) and McCarron is a limited athlete with limited arm strength. They both can be game managers but neither can be “the guy” on a championship caliber team. That’s why they went in the 5th. That’s why McCarron got the contract that he did. I guess “anything is possible” but I’d say that there’s a .5% chance of either of those guys being elite QBs. The Bills aren’t betting on the long shot. They are betting on the guy with all of the talent in the world. That’s why I keep saying that the Bills concern is Allen’s development and not the day 1 starter. Those guys may keep the seat warm but they aren’t battling him for the job. It’s his as soon as he is ready. We all better hope that the Bills were right or start looking at the QB class in the 2020 draft. Jake Frohm anyone? How about Tua Tagovailoa?

I don’t think that I was there for Arkansas but might have been. I went to LSU-Auburn, and Auburn-Alabama last year. That was my first Iron Bowl and it was pretty incredible.

Hey, we all agree that the Bills needed to add their franchise QB this offseason. They did. It’s just a matter of whether or not he will be that. Teams hit at a pretty high percentage in that area but Allen has a massive ceiling and a pretty low floor. The other QBs are just there. They aren’t viable long-term options. They don’t have the requisite skills to be more than bottom end starters or backups. We had a guy that was better than that (a decent game manager). We need a guy who is THE answer. That will either be Allen or we will be looking again in 2 years like Denver did with Lynch.

It’s not a disaster to anyone. Only some people care more about players than the team. Those people are still actively participating in a 23 page thread talking about former players. Wanting Nate to succeed and thinking he will are 2 totally different things. I WANT him to be a superstar. I will be shocked if that happens.

It would be amazing. We have been waiting on a guy forever. We’d have Allen as trade bait and maybe even McCarron.