Kirby Jackson

Yeah, Samuel will improve. That’s his skillset though. People who thought he was going to be a pure outside WR were always going to be disappointed. As an Ohio State fan, I like the player a lot. He was dynamic there with the ball in his hands. He was a RB though. He’s more of a slash guy and similar in some ways to Shakir. He’s a guy that’s good with the ball in his hands and explosive. In terms of Kincaid, he’s better than the player that was out there last year. I’m not sure he’s a top 5 guy though that I thought he’d become. There are a multitude of reasons as to why he struggled last year. I think some of it was the lack of other weapons. Teams focused on him. The Bills saw the 3rd least 2 deep in the league last year. The space where he likes to operate was crowded. The Bills will have to find ways to get him in space. Fortunately, Brady is very creative.

I think it’s such an interesting philosophical discussion. You can EASILY argue out of both sides of your mouth. The irony is that Beane has argued out of both sides of his mouth on the topic. He goes on WGR and talks about how many points the offense scored. He also said earlier this offseason, they need speed, and Coleman needs to get better. They dealt a 3rd for 1/2 of a year of Amari Cooper because they hated the situation. They brought in Elijah Moore for a visit yesterday so clearly he doesn’t believe, “this room is good.” They lost Cooper and Mack. They added Palmer. The answer is, it’s both. They’ve been a dynamic offense and scored a lot of points. The WR room is one of the worst in the NFL. Both are true. The question becomes, “can they sustain an elite offense with those limitations?” Those saying yes can say, “look at last year.” Those saying no can say, “last year they had the least negative plays in history. They led the league in turnover margin. They still had to trade a 3rd for Cooper and couldn’t score when it mattered most. That’s not sustainable.” Who is right? We don’t know the answer yet. I’m obviously a believer that a field stretcher is necessary to open up the playbook. I believe that their best weapons are Cook, Shakir and Kincaid in that order (obviously excluding Josh). They all need space underneath to operate. We will see if they can get a guy or if they can overcome that area of the field being crowded. It hurt Kincaid last year. The other 2 were fine but could they have been better? We don’t know. Now, we are in wait and see.

I fully expected to come here and see a picture of a very attractive ladyboy, extremely overweight onlyfans model, a slightly appealing androgynous figure, or a proactively shaped piece of fruit. I was like, “I’ll play.” But yeah, if my kid wants to play football, sure

I voted WR, but S is also an option. Punter is a sneaky good pick. We could be the worst in the league there.

I haven’t read the whole thread yet but did anyone reference his dog pee celebration in the egg bowl? I liked that too. Would love to see him simulate urinating on the Chiefs or Dolphins logo 🤣🤣

Neither runs those routes though. Moore averaged 8.8 YPC last year. Gabe Davis is a much better field stretcher than Curtis Samuel. Curtis Samuel is much faster than Gabe Davis. I like Moore a lot as a player. He isn’t the perfect fit but he would be one of the best receivers on the team the moment he signs.

Lol, this is kind of me. I like the player a lot. I wanted him when we drafted. He is more like Diggs as a player and kind of a slot guy. He’s a good route runner which is a skillset that we can use. He doesn’t check the vertical box that is like but certainly improves the WR room.

I didn’t hear it but it sounds hilarious (and kind of weird). Sorry, that you have an intelligent fan base. We can differentiate between the offense being good and the WRs being good.

I think that the 10 yard split but also the broad jump and vertical. Those are good tests of explosion. I like the 3 cone for quickness and cutting. Totally fair. I don’t know where these guys ranked in vertical or broad. There is also the ability to use your hands to beat press that needs to be factored it. I don’t know how you measure that. I think when it comes to the 40 time it really matters once you beat that press. If you beat a guy and are running vertically and he’s chasing, that’s where it matters. 4.30 and 4.46 become different there. The same goes for a corner like Hairston. If he gets beat by a 4.46 guy off the LOS, he still can recover (or at least easier than a 4.30 guy).

It’s about explosion. The reason Prather, and his 4.46 went on the 7th is that he isn’t good at the LOS. He doesn’t beat guys quickly. Thornton would fit all of it (but he can’t do much more).

No, because he is pushing 4.5. He has decent long speed but not the suddenness to blow by guys off the LOS. He can be pressed. There were 13 sub 4.4 guys in those rounds. I could have talked myself into pretty much any of them (Thornton was my favorite option). I want my field stretchers to fly. Prather is better than no one but I don’t believe that he fills that role. Thornton’s skillset would be the perfect addition to this room.

One of the things that is kind of funny about these threads is that people are like, “the WRs need upgrading” and some are like, “yeah but the defense is bad.” Lol, both can be true. The people that were clamoring for a vertical threat between rounds 3-5 aren’t saying that the defense didn’t need to be addressed. We are simply suggesting that a vertical threat was a much bigger need than competition for Jamarcus Ingram, Zach Davidson/Gilliam, Dwayne Carter and Cam Lewis. The gap between those guys and the 4 guys drafted to compete with them is minimal (at best). The impact that a vertical threat could have on the offense is WAY, WAY, WAY greater than if they keep Hawes instead of Davidson or Gilliam. Again, no one was suggesting ignoring the defense. We are suggesting that one of the 18 WRs (or whatever the number was) drafted between rounds 3-5, should have been drafted by the Bills.

That would only strengthen my point. They both said in their postseason press conferences that they need to threaten the field vertically. The fact that they know that, and still didn’t dress those guys, doesn’t bode well for those guys.

I’ve probably said 100 times in these threads what I wanted. I wanted one of the 13 deep threats drafted between rounds 3 & 5 to be selected. I wanted them on the team to stretch the field vertically. McDermott and Beane have both said how important that was. It wasn’t a big ask.

You’re the one that said wait until next year….

I don’t want to “wait until next year” with Josh Allen in his prime.

Name the groups that are better if it’s not close to the worst. I came up with the Raiders and maybe the Panthers and/or Browns. They are somewhere between 29-31 in my estimation. We are counting on guys that haven’t proven much. Palmer was the Chargers 3rd and they let him walk. Shenault has 96 receiving yards over the last 2 years!! How many teams would be saying, “that guy might be good?” He’s a scrub and doesn’t belong on the roster.

Not sure who they liked of the group but I’m sure that they missed a few times. I’m assuming that they got sniped on Horton as he was the last one left. Fun fact, I’ve been in the draft room for one pick. It was a trade up for John McCargo 🤣.

I think all of those guys could have played 10-20 snaps a game as a field stretcher. The Bills use a committee at WR and on DL. I think that those guys could have been in that committee and added a skillset missing from the roster.

I guess that my answer would be someone thought they were good enough. All of them got drafted between rounds 3 & 5. I counted 13 of the “speed guys” that went in those rounds and 4 or 5 other WRs that weren’t really field stretchers. That was the sweet spot and the Bills had lots of assets in there to secure one. I don’t know how the Bills had them ranked. I am sure that there were certainly some that they liked more than others.

That’s fair. What I’m saying is that they had 11 or 12 guys, that visited, ran sub 4.4, and all went on day 3. They could have found a way to get ONE of those guys that they liked best. They had 7 picks and that was the biggest remaining need when the day started yesterday (or at worst 2nd biggest). They self identified the importance of it. My frustration is that there were lots of chances to make it happen. If there was like a guy or 2 and they had 3 picks, for example, it would be much more understandable. That wasn’t the case here. Lots of guys filled that role, they expressed an interest in lots of those guys and had lots of ammo. It didn’t and still doesn’t make sense. Adding a deep threat was a much bigger need than competition for Cam Lewis, J’Marcus Ingram and Zach Davidson in my humble opinion.

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They said that they needed it. Both McDermott and Beane said it publicly. They used something like 11 of their 30 pre-draft visits on the guys I’m referring to. They 100% believed that they needed it. They got sniped once or twice (see Horton). They should have priorized it more and used those late round picks to make sure that they got their guy. It’s not rocket science and not something I’m making up.

It’s unreasonable to argue that they aren’t “one of the worst.” They were no better than the 25th best group on Wednesday. They went through the draft and added 1 guy, the 28th WR selected. You can split hairs if they’re 32 or 29 or whatever but tough to make a case that they are better. Good thing we have Josh Allen

Maybe they can swing a deal for Jameson Williams or Alec Pierce. WGR has been talking about Pierce. He had 824 yards and 7 TDs on only 37 receptions!! That’s kind of insane. He would be a fine option to fill that role. Maybe you can trade some of your depth on the line or in the secondary? Would they do Epenesa and a 5th or something like that?