Kirby Jackson

I would try to bring those 2 back. I’m assuming that’ll cost about the same as Torrence. I’m thinking Anderson fills one spot next year. Agree on the WR. I don’t think they can focus on the draft for that guy. They CAN gamble on George Pickens I suppose. He looked incredible last night. Can you depend on him? Who knows but the talent is there. Great call. He will be against Christian Gonzalez too. He does suck. Lol, everything posted is some manufactured way to pump him up. Lol, earlier in the thread we talked about ignoring his last 17 games but looking at his first 5. 🤣🤣 The Bills score more points when he’s out of the lineup. I haven’t compared the average depth of target for Ladd vs. Keon. I’d like to see it if you have it. If you compare Keon to other Bills receivers, I’d imagine that 41% is by far the worst. He plays with the MVP of the league and is one of the least efficient receivers in the league.

I don’t think that gets MHJ. It MAY get BTJ. Harrison was really coming on with Brissett at QB. The Jags seem fed up with BTJ. The Bills tried to get him at the deadline. I don’t know what was offered but they were trying. I’d imagine that they’ll try again. The trade that I keep throwing out is Torrence and a pick for Higgins. The Bills aren’t going to pay him $20m+ a year (I don’t think). They have some depth there and can get there number 1 that way.

Oh no, we aren’t doing this. Over the equivalent of the last 17 games, Coleman has caught 41% of the balls thrown his way!! He doesn’t get volume because he doesn’t get open!! Ladd has caught 64% of the balls thrown his way this year and 73% of them last year. Don’t you think if Keon were open more they’d throw him the ball more?!?

This is probably right. It may be as soon as Thursday. I think we may be without 2 guys on Thursday at WR. I’d play Moore over him but I don’t think that they will. If Keon is dressed, it will be in a limited capacity but the Bills play a bunch of guys. He is going to have a couple of chances. If they throw him the ball 4 times, it can’t result in 1 catch.

If he becomes a star in his next step, I hope it’s a Wyatt Teller situation. I know Teller is in the AFC, but he went somewhere that would never be real competition. If Coleman becomes a good player I hope that he does it in a Saints jersey or something like that.

I don’t mean to jump back in but they aren’t the same. McConkey is going to have another 1,000 yard season, 80+ catches and at least 6 or 7 TDs. This is on the heels of a rookie season where he had 82/1149/7. That isn’t the same as Keon. No matter how many ways, we cut up and manipulate Keon’s numbers to fit our agenda. It’s not only not the same, it’s not similar. If Keon had either of those years we’d give him a key to the city.

So, we are cheering for the Bills to move closer to the 1 seed and for Baltimore & KC to miss the playoffs. Works for me

He could but it doesn’t look like Allen is going to slow anytime soon. Josh Allen has played 43 regular season games since the start of 2023 (I’m not counting the game he took the snap and left). In those 43 games he has 37 rushing TDs!! They’re using him more in the red zone and I don’t think that will ever change. He’s way too efficient down there.

My feelings on Bishop are documented on here. He looked lost but had a high ceiling. His RAS was really high. He was worth the investment in case he harnessed the athletic upside. I do not usually have an issue with character concerns. For the right talent, you push it to the side. Diggs caused some headaches. They shouldn’t have been so quick to move on. Marshawn was immature but playing at a Pro Bowl level to start his career. That’s not like Coleman. If he had 1100 yards and 7 TDs as a rookie, we would look the other way on his immaturity.

Lynch went to the Pro Bowl. He had an 1100 yard season and a 1000 yard season in his first 2 years. He scored 15 TDs. He was a top 15 pick with little risk. There’s no comparison between the 2. I didn’t like when they let Jason Peters go either. I did like the moves to dump Boogie Basham, Cody Ford and Kaiir Elam. Those guys, like Keon sucked. The difference is they didn’t have people willing to lay down in traffic for them. To be clear, I’m not ready to move on from Keon because he’s immature. I’m ready to move on because he’s a bad football player. He has MAJOR flaws that I don’t believe you can overcome. If you can get a warm hot chocolate for him, take it.

I’m happy to be eating crow on this. I’ve been screaming to get him out of there but he was really good this week AND had a nice one last week. Kudos to Davis. Happy to be wrong

My goodness, I’m stunned that there are still Keon truthers out there. Some people get on the lifeboats and some keep playing the violin as the Titanic takes on water. 34 catches on 83 targets is the worst that I’ve ever heard of. He is catching 41% of the balls thrown his way over the equivalent of a season!! I don’t know where you’d find that data but that has to be one of the worst percentages of all-time!! Keon has been targeted, a lot, by the league’s MVP. He has failed miserably based on pretty much all metrics. Why the need to defend him so hard? If we want to look at how much he flourished pre-injury and ignore the last full season, okay. If we decide to ignore the last 17 games he was on pace for 42 catches on 68 targets for 788 yards and 6 TDs. Taking only the best of Keon, you get the 102nd most catches despite being the top option with the league’s best QB. Keon sucks. None of us wanted that to be the case. A lot of us expected it to be the case but it’s been worse than even the most negative on him could have imagined. He entered camp as the number 1 WR. He is a healthy scratch by Thanksgiving so that Gabe Davis and Mecole Hardman could get jerseys. The Bills proceeded to have their best game through the air this season. The best thing for the Bills would be for him to remain in street clothes until his Bills career ends in 4 months.

That’s bold but I like it. His ceiling is probably higher because of his athleticism. Those guys both reach all-pro status. If Bishop does that, it’ll be a massive success.

So the Pats play the Bengals with no Burrow or Chase but the Bills get both? Cool

He’s incredibly inefficient. Since coming back last year, he’s played in 16 games. That’s basically a full season. He’s had the ball thrown to him 78 times. They’ve completed 32 of those for 491 yards and 4 TDs. If we add the average for a 17th game the stats look like this 34/522/4TDs on 83 targets. 🤣🤣 He did that while playing with the MVP of the league. For context 34 receptions would have been tied for 138 last year. 522 receiving yards would be 86th. 4 TDs would be tied for 62nd. Coleman has had opportunities that others have not. Legette, Worthy, Pearsall, McConkey, Franklin, Mitchell, etc.. would all be better than him if drafted by the Bills. He plays with the league MVP at QB. He’s AWFUL. Why are we still doing this? He’s a scrub.

I think that the most fun one to follow will be rushing TDs. He has 75 right now. If he adds another 90 (doable) he has the most rushing TDS all-time!! He will need 46 more (he’s a lock to do that) to break into the top 5. 🤣🤣 It’s going to be wild when he starts passing names like Jim Brown, Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.

I think that the ceiling was always high. The athletic ability is there. The floor was pretty low though. He looked lost. Some guys could be really good or just bad. Other guys range from a little below average to a little above average.

He has a chance to be a Pro Bowl level safety IMO. Bishop is really developing. He has the physical skills to be a very good centerfielder

We got a 2025 5th & 2026 7th in exchange for a 2025 6th (I think). I’d take that deal tomorrow

That argument may work with an “unknown” as the number 2. You could say, “Rodgers hasn’t been great and I believe that ____” could be better. Rudolph is not that unknown. He’s a bad player with 32 appearances and 8 years in the league. He’s a functioning number 2 I guess but he’s not on the level of a low end starter. Even if you believe Rodgers is the 25th best QB in the world, or whatever, there isn’t an argument to be made that Rudolph is above that.

Regardless of your thoughts on Stroud and Rodgers, they are definitely better than Mills and Rudolph. That’s why they are unquestioned starters.

The rest of this season needs to be Josh in Thanos mode. Just go do everything and anything yourself. Go make plays. He will make some mistakes along the way but “game manager Josh” isn’t going to get it done despite how badly this regime wants that. If the Bills are ever going to win a Super Bowl it’s because their QB is the best player in the world. It’s not going to be because they controlled the clock with the run game and played solid defense. 🤣🤣

I mean, sure I guess. You may get a pick swap or a day 3 pick. His value is not high. It’ll look similar to what you got for Elam. Whether you trade him, cut him, or keep him, you shouldn’t be planning on him being a part of your core group. If he develops and overachieves, fantastic. The biggest mistake that they made with Keon was convincing themselves that he was something that he was not.

This ^^

Tyrell Shavers reminds you of a Hall of Famer? That wasn’t on my bingo card.