Kirby Jackson

I couldn’t agree more. At their best they are decent game managers imo. Their ceiling is what we had with Tyrod. They can NEVER overtake the Bills in the division with that “upside.” Miami has a bunch of talent. Maybe Tua can get them to the playoffs but they’ll never be a title threat. They’re like those Dalton-led Bengals teams. The Pats are a disaster. They have no talent around a game manager. They spent all of that money and were wrong.

He wouldn’t be on my short list but have a shot at the “most talented 53.” He was an elite deep threat with great hands. Moulds and TO were more physically imposing.

I think that the Pats have THE worst talent in the NFL. I don’t think that they’re average or “in a down year.” I think that “they are THE least talented team in the NFL.” They do have BB. He’s good for a few wins. Still at +1800 is it crazy to think that the least talented team in the NFL will finish last in their division?

Without being too much of a homer, it’s the Bills and not close. I’m betting the exact AFC East Finish (+1800): Bills Dolphins Jets Pats

Thanks for posting this!! THAT is what this thread is about.

I like this!!

I’m seeing a lot of people betting Allen over rushing props. He’s run a lot, and effectively, in big games. This is a big game.

That’s another GREAT one. He’s a HOF OT that entered the league as an enormous TE.

These are a couple of interesting nominations. Nate Clements is another that is interesting to me. Takeo Spikes as well.

He’s not good enough!! Lol, he isn’t a threat to anyone around him and knows the playbook. He’s a good guy. They cut him and added him back to the practice squad. It’s the same thing that teams do to Davis Webb and Matt Barkley. “You aren’t here to play. You aren’t capable of that. You’re here to be a nice guy and help in meetings.” Peterman is a homeless man’s Davis Webb. He’s Davis Webb for the 2nd worst roster in football.

For those of you hesitant to put Allen on there, “because it’s too early” you are missing the question. The question is “the most physically gifted Bills ever.” Josh Allen, may be, the most physically gifted person to ever play the most important position in the game. He’s inarguably on the list. If the question was, “who are the 5 greatest Bills ever” I’m fine with no Allen. I see a lot of Thurman on here and I think people are using those 2 questions interchangeably. I love Thurman. He is one of the 5 greatest Bills ever. He’s not one of the 5 most physically gifted.

One more thing that crossed my mind as we talk role players, teams generally prefer “their own role players.” Every year we worry about all of these guys that are going to get claimed if we cut them. About 30 guys, total, in the league get claimed. When it comes to the back of the roster, where you’d find a Zimmer/Blackshear/Hodgins/Kumerow/McCloud/Lewis, teams lean towards their own version of those guys. They’ve seen their own guys practice, study, learn the playbook, etc… It’s just easier to keep your own guy with no downside risk than to take on someone else of that caliber and HOPE that theirs an incremental improvement.

Those 3 are the correct answer. I’m not sure that it’s even a debate other than the order you’d put them in. TO would be next but he was only here a year and it was towards the end. The next most physically talented player on those Super Bowl teams was Bennett. He wasn’t the next best player but he was the next most gifted.

I think that it is more of a function of age. All of those guys were well into the back nine. The Bills were hoping to squeeze the last bit of juice out of them. The same reason that they aren’t signed is why the Bills moved on. There just isn’t enough left in the tank. Darryl Williams is the only that’s a little surprising and I’d imagine that he’s being a little picky as to where he latches on next. I’d imagine that if a bad team, offered vet minimum, and a starting spot, he’d decline. The same for Beasley. Hughes TOOK the low salary on a bad team. Sanders and Star are going to retire unless they receive godfather offers. I wouldn’t read too much into this. It was an opportunity to replace well-compensated, aging vets, with younger, cheaper players with minimal (if any) drop off.

I was there 🤦🏻‍♂️

I paid all that money and have to sit through 100 year-old Ozzy. I’d much prefer that weird Creed halftime.

Nate gets ZERO credit for Josh Allen’s development!! The Bills wanted to bring Allen along slowly. He was very raw. Peterman made it a half. He was so awful (again) that the Bills had to hand the keys to Josh to avoid losing the locker room. They all knew how bad Peterman was!! The mental gymnastics that you’re playing to credit Peterman is insane. That guy is/was a scrub. Not at all, I’ve made it to exactly where I want in life. I’m good bro. I will never sit around here and let people change history. I’m going to make sure everyone remembers exactly how bad that scrub is/was. If people want to wax poetic, I’ll share clips. Until we all agree “he’s the worst QB ever and an embarrassment to this franchise” my work here isn’t done.

People that “try hard” don’t belong in the NFL. I would say “he earned a lot of money” but he didn’t “earn” anything. He was given it. He stole jobs from more capable people. He’s not the first, nor the last. I have WAY more sympathy for the people that never got those NFL checks that were more deserving. Why do you want to celebrate that scrub? That guy embarrassed this franchise. I don’t “wish him the best.” He’s made WAY more than he deserved. He should be selling phone cards.

Sometimes the truth hurts!! I just read someone crediting Peterman for Allen’s development 😂😂😂!!!

Imagine defending/celebrating Peterman’s career? That guy EMBARASSED our beloved franchise. He got a job because he was a nice guy. The ONLY people that defend Nate are the ones that wanted him to start. Instead of saying, “I was wrong. That was a mistake.” They pretend that it was a good decision and that the guy could play. Is there anyone worse than the person that can’t admit when they’re wrong? This one isn’t “debatable.” Just take the “L” and move along. Peterman was a mistake. People that wanted him were dumb before he went on the field. There are still apparently a few band members on the Titanic, playing their cellos, as the ship sits on the bottom of the ocean. I jumped on a lifeboat as soon as I heard “Peterman is starting vs. the Chargers.” I was right. There are some funny stats in here regarding Peterman. If Rodgers threw 1240 straight interceptions he would still have a better TD:INT ratio than Peterman. For some perspective, that would be every pass for 37 consecutive games 😂😂!! https://dailysnark.com/2018/11/13/nathan-peterman-finishes-with-worse-qb-rating-than-if-he-just-spiked-ball-into-ground-every-play-of-his-career/

I didn’t watch but here would be my top 5: Bengals Chargers Vikings Bucs Broncos

Thanks man!! Just try to share where appropriate. Love all of y’all!! Great people here

The heated seat disaster!!! 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ Ignorance spreads around here. As someone that is informed I find it my duty to educate. When people spread MISINFORMATION it is even more important. You’re welcome!!

This isn’t “Jerry Jones.” This is the best sports management company in the world that Jerry Jones owns some of. They run EVERY big project. This is something that we should be EXCITED for. Too many people get themselves all twisted up without even knowing what they’re mad about. The people on the Legends side have WAY more experience than Ron Raccuia. The Bills hired the best firm in the world to oversee the biggest project in franchise history. This is a great thing for the franchise and WNY. We need to understand that. 10 minutes ago you were “concerned” with it. That would be like your concern about the Bills being “Josh Allen is our QB.” That’s a positive not a negative. Legends involvement, all but ensures, it will stay on the timeline and completed to the vision that they have. They’re the most capable of getting this from here to completion.