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this is the most up to date.... 1 HOU 2 124 2 WAS 3 114 3 JAX 4 111 4 OAK 4 112 5 CLE 4 117 6 ATL 4 124.5 7 TB 4 129 8 MIN 4.5 117 9 TEN 5 112 10 BUF 5 118 11 NYG 5 118 If BUF and NYG stay tied then it will be decided by a coin flip. Next week will prety much decide the order outside of wins and loses by individual wins because of the intradivisional play a teams would only change based on their non common opponets win or lose. In week 17 Each team will increase by 6 because of the intradivision of the 2 divisions they play( add 2 each), and their other divisional opponent play each other (add 2)--if they lose they will increase by 1 due to their oppponent, and then the non common opponents will add 0,1, or 2. So if the difference is 3 or more you cant catch, if difference is 2 you can only tie, if its within 1 you can pass or get passed. If BUF were to lose they at best could make it up to 6. I dont see them passing OAK or JAX if they won.

that 2 pt conversion attempt didnt matter at all..... 2 yrs ago...

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NFC East If PHL win and DAL lose--PHL win division in week 16 otherwise week 17 for division title. NFC North...with Lions loss...this makes them lose control. IF CHI and GB win next week DET is eliminated. DET needs one to lose next week, and then have the loser win tweek 17 and also win out their last 2 games. NFC AZ, NO, CAR, SF Arizona they need to win out and have Carolina or SF lose an additional game. SF and AZ tie- SF in 2nd either H2H or division record CAR and AZ- AZ due to H2H IF SF, CAR, and AZ all tied…CAR seed #5 due to H2H over SF, SF seed #6 due to AZ tiebreaker NO beat AZ, lost to SF next week NO at CAR game will effectively decide the division title. NO win division with win. Carolina still needs to win the following week or have NO lose to clinch division. Arizona is in a difficult situation. They need SF to lose next week. Sf win SF clinch 2nd place and their will be no way for AZ to pass them and make the playoffs with a win...here is why If SF WL then SF 11-5 and AZ WW AZ 11-5 2. SF 11-5 3. AZ 11-5 Going into week 17 game NO/CAR loser would be 10-5. They both beat SF so a win and then get the edge for #5 over SF thus AZ cant control their own fate even by winning out. For AZ to make it they need to win 2 and have one of the other 3 teams lose 2.....good luck. AFC.... Tennessee is eliminated..... 10-6 BAL, MIA, CIN, NE CIN go 1-1 NE 0-2 BAL win last 2 MIA win last 2 division.... BAL would get the division by season sweep MIA would get division by better division record BAL over NE by H2H CIN over NE by H2H MIA over CIN by H2H BAL over MIA by H2H if NE wins 1 of last 2 they clinch division, or have BAL/MIA lose 1. Cincinati needs to beat BAL, or habe BALT lose to NE. 9-7 BAL, MIA, SD MIA-SD MIA H2H BAL-MIA BAL H2H SD-BAL BAL conf record MIA-BAL-SD MIA conf record 8-8 PIT--Jets are now eliminated MIA 0-2, BAL go 0-2, and SD need to go 1-1 or 0-2 MIA beat PIT, PIT would get 2nd place in a tie with BAL at 8-8 either by div record For PIT to get in they need to get to 8-8 and have Jets win out to go to 8-8 and be in 2nd place and have SD lose 1 PIT H2H over Jets PIT conf record over SD PIT, NYJ, SD tie PIT conf record PIT is tied with MIA at 8-8---MIA has the H2H and if SD was also tied MIA gets in because of beating both teams. If HOU wins 1 and WAS lose 2 then WAS ---err STL gets the #1 overall. 1 HOU 2 123 2 WAS 3 114 3 JAX 4 111 4 OAK 4 112 5 CLE 4 114 6 ATL 4 124.5 7 TB 4 129 8 MIN 4.5 116 9 TEN 5 112 10 BUF 5 117 11 NYG 5 118

linebacker would make a far bigger difference.....

Flynn knew the green bay system which is why he does well in green bay. ranted he hasnt had much of a shot elsewhere. In Seattle it wasnt as if he was playing poorly in preseason --it was just fans wanted Russell.

NFC East If PHL win and DAL lose--PHL win division in week 16 otherwise week 17 for division title. NFC North...with Lions loss...this makes them lose control. IF CHI and GB win next week DET is eliminated. DET needs one to lose next week, and then have the loser win tweek 17 and also win out their last 2 games. NFC AZ, NO, CAR, SF Arizona they need to win out and have Carolina or SF lose an additional game. SF and AZ tie- SF in 2nd either H2H or division record CAR and AZ- AZ due to H2H IF SF, CAR, and AZ all tied…CAR seed #5 due to H2H over SF, SF seed #6 due to AZ tiebreaker NO beat AZ, lost to SF next week NO at CAR game will effectively decide the division title. NO win division with win. Carolina still needs to win the following week or have NO lose to clinch division. Arizona is in a difficult situation. They need SF to lose next week. Sf win SF clinch 2nd place and their will be no way for AZ to pass them and make the playoffs with a win...here is why If SF WL then SF 11-5 and AZ WW AZ 11-5 2. SF 11-5 3. AZ 11-5 Going into week 17 game NO/CAR loser would be 10-5. They both beat SF so a win and then get the edge for #5 over SF thus AZ cant control their own fate even by winning out. For AZ to make it they need to win 2 and have one of the other 3 teams lose 2.....good luck. AFC.... Tennessee is eliminated..... 10-6 BAL, MIA, CIN, NE CIN go 1-1 NE 0-2 BAL win last 2 MIA win last 2 division.... BAL would get the division by season sweep MIA would get division by better division record BAL over NE by H2H CIN over NE by H2H MIA over CIN by H2H BAL over MIA by H2H if NE wins 1 of last 2 they clinch division, or have BAL/MIA lose 1. Cincinati needs to beat BAL, or habe BALT lose to NE. 9-7 BAL, MIA, SD MIA-SD MIA H2H BAL-MIA BAL H2H SD-BAL BAL conf record MIA-BAL-SD MIA conf record 8-8 PIT--Jets are now eliminated MIA 0-2, BAL go 0-2, and SD need to go 1-1 or 0-2 MIA beat PIT, PIT would get 2nd place in a tie with BAL at 8-8 either by div record For PIT to get in they need to get to 8-8 and have Jets win out to go to 8-8 and be in 2nd place and have SD lose 1 PIT H2H over Jets PIT conf record over SD PIT, NYJ, SD tie PIT conf record PIT is tied with MIA at 8-8---MIA has the H2H and if SD was also tied MIA gets in because of beating both teams. If HOU wins 1 and WAS lose 2 then WAS ---err STL gets the #1 overall. 1 HOU 2 124 2 WAS 3 114 3 JAX 4 111 4 OAK 4 112 5 CLE 4 117 6 ATL 4 124.5 7 TB 4 129 8 MIN 4.5 117 9 TEN 5 112 10 BUF 5 118 11 NYG 5 118

NFC East If PHL win and DAL lose--PHL win division in week 16 otherwise week 17 for division title. NFC North...with Lions loss...this makes them lose control. IF CHI and GB win next week DET is eliminated. DET needs one to lose next week, and then have the loser win tweek 17 and also win out their last 2 games. NFC AZ, NO, CAR, SF Arizona they need to win out and have Carolina or SF lose an additional game. SF and AZ tie- SF in 2nd either H2H or division record CAR and AZ- AZ due to H2H IF SF, CAR, and AZ all tied…CAR seed #5 due to H2H over SF, SF seed #6 due to AZ tiebreaker NO beat AZ, lost to SF next week NO at CAR game will effectively decide the division title. NO win division with win. Carolina still needs to win the following week or have NO lose to clinch division. Arizona is in a difficult situation. They need SF to lose next week. Sf win SF clinch 2nd place and their will be no way for AZ to pass them and make the playoffs with a win...here is why If SF WL then SF 11-5 and AZ WW AZ 11-5 2. SF 11-5 3. AZ 11-5 Going into week 17 game NO/CAR loser would be 10-5. They both beat SF so a win and then get the edge for #5 over SF thus AZ cant control their own fate even by winning out. For AZ to make it they need to win 2 and have one of the other 3 teams lose 2.....good luck.

If Buffalo won 2 of those they lost they would still be in it. If they won 3 they would still have a shot at the division. What would you rather do------ 1. If NE loses to BALT next week and Buffalo allowed MIA to win, then a MIA win and Buffalo beating NE potential ELIMINATES the PATS. Baltimore wins out they would also go 10-6---tied with NE--get the last wild card due to H2H win. 2. Buffalo beats Miami--thus gives New England the division.

Since Bills are eliminated and people wanted to axe the other thread I will start a new thread. I will update this once todays games are done. a few observations.... With New England loss---Cincinnati now controls their fate for seed #2 and the bye because of their H2H win. Cincinnati wins out they get the bye. Seattle magic number is now 1 for clinching division and a bye......between them and SF. magic number is 1 between them and New Orleans in terms of locking up #1 seed (assuming they win the division). Win next week against Arizona wraps up #1 seed and division. San Francisco clinch wild card with an Arizona loss. Draft order (*** pending late games) 1 HOU 2 120 2 WAS 3 112 3 JAX 4 108 4 OAK 4 110 ***** 5 CLE 4 111 6 ATL 4 119.5 7 TB 4 125 8 MIN 4.5 112 9 PIT 5 104 ***** 10 TEN 5 108 **** 11 BUF 5 114 12 NYG 5 115 13 STL 5 122 ****

Redskins go for 2 for a win and fail instead of OT....with about 18 seconds left

New england 4th down 7 seconds left...ball around Miami 15...no timeouts each team......miami wins...buffalo eliminated

In reading this article I wondered if it was linked to this: http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/223336/1/Bills-Cut-Access-At-Popular-Shortcut-To-Stadium- which was posted on the board earlier about this fance blocking the lot. An re-reading it I realized it was one of the two who died. The reaction to the Bills in blocking this walkway now makes little sense. What they should have done is create a drunk room where people go to sober up before even kicking them out of the stadium. As far as the story written was interesting. the big question is still around the one guys death in if he went to the bar or not and what happened. This could have been an accident or it could have been a homicide As for game experiences..... I havent had problems there and i have gone to games over 30 years. When I was in my 20s I would go to a game a year with buddies of mine. they would drink, I wouldnt. We would go there and be there around 1000-1030 and then tailgate and set up a grill and usually do burgers and hot dogs. We would do this before and after the game. i have also gone to some games where I just go for the game with little tailgating done. thus I would get there around noon and park, In the stands there were never any issues that I recall that were significant near me. One time when I was with my buddies, one of the guys got into an argument with the person behind him over something stupid.. If I recall, the issue was him doing simple swearing like oh sh-- and then they would complain about it. I remember times when the games were blown out you could scan tha stadiun and see fights. I went to a Pittsburgh game and Buffalo beat them so starting in the late 3rd quarter on there were fights all over the stadium. I also went to a MNF game one time. I didnt notice a significant difference. At theat time the team was good so maybe then you got a cleaner fan base. Now because the team is losing the people are going are a more younger partying crowd, while if they were a playoff team you get long time, skew older fans, who are going to see a good team and not just escape and get drunk.

NFC...... If DAL & PHL tied---DAL will get the tie breaker If DET and CHI tied--DET gets the tiebreaker. IF NO and CAR are tied NO gets the tiebreaker. IF SF and SEA end up tied SF would get the tie breaker of division record. Az cant win the division. IF Az and SEA are tied at 11-5--SEA would have tiebreaker of conference record. wild card Arizona has the tiebreaker on CAR Carolina has tiebreaker on SF SF has tiebreaker on AZ So for week 17 SF/AZ game to mean anything they need to be tied then winner would get wild card. Wild Card at 10-6 DAL at 10-6 will win division. DET at 10-6 win the division CHI at 10-6 will win division if DET lose 1. Since PHL and CHI play—only one of them would have 10 wins Conference wins: PHL 9 beat AZ CHI 6 beat DAL CAR 7/8 SF 7 AZ 6/7 CHI lose to CAR, SF, & AZ (common games) PHL edges CAR, SF, & AZ At 9-7 PHL 8 DAL 8 DET 7/8 SF 7 CAR 6 AZ cant pass SF, CAR beat SF CHI loses all tiebreakers DET beat DAL, PHL beat DET AFC wild card 10-6 BAL, MIA BAL win last 3 MIA win last 3 and BAL lose 1 IF KC were to finish at 10-6 BAL and MIA get the wild cards. 9-7 BAL, MIA, MYJ, SD NYJ & MIA tied at 9-7 NYJ get the tiebreker for 2nd based on common games. MIA-SD MIA H2H BAL-MIA /MYJ BAL H2H SD-BAL BAL conf record SD-NYJ SD conf record NYJ-BAL-SD BAL conf record MIA-BAL-SD MIA conf record (IF BAL lose is to DET), BAL conf record (IF BAL lose is to AFC) 8-8 BAL, MIA, MYJ, SD, PIT, TEN NYJ 2-1 /MIA 1-2 If MIA beat NYJ then MIA has H2H, otherwise NYJ get 2nd place PIT 3-0/BAL 1-2 then PIT has div record for 2nd place. TEN beat SD, NYJ, and PIT MIA beat PIT, SD BAL beat NYJ, MIA PIT beat NYJ Conf wins BAL 7/6 PIT 6 MIA 7 NYJ 4/5 SD 5 TEN 6 BAL-MIA BAL BAL-NYJ BAL PIT-MIA MIA PIT-NYJ PIT MIA-SD MIA NYJ-SD SD MIA-TEN MIA NYJ-TEN TEN BAL-SD BAL BAL-TEN BAL*** PIT-SD PIT PIT-TEN TEN TEN-SD TEN ***BAL-TEN if BAL loses to DET then BAL has better conference record, IF BAL beats DET, then it comes down to S.V. of which BAL has a significant edge. 3 or 4 way ties…its head to head where one team either beat others or lost to others then conference record. Once down to 2 teams it reverts to just a 2 team tie. 7-9 Mia lose 3, BAL lose 3, NYJ lose to CAR & CLE….. MIA out BUF wins 3 they earn 2nd, if not Jets earn 2nd. BAL lose 3 and tied with PIT/CLE—PIT/CLE win tie for 2nd TEN/JAX tied at 7-9 JAX has the tie breaker H2H SD/OAK tied 7-9, OAK has tie breaker div record BUF & JAX cant both finish 7-9 due to game against each other Conference wins: BUF 6 NYJ 4 BAL 6 PIT 5/6 CLE 5 TEN 5/6 JAX 7 SD 5 OAK 7 both BUF and JX cant be 7-9 because of sundays game. EAST & North can be 2 way tied at 7-9, SOUTH and WEST will be tied with a team from the EAST and NORTH BUF-BAL BUF BUF-CLE CLE BUF-PIT PIT BUF-SD BUF BUF-OAK OAK BUF-TEN ----- CLE-TEN --- CLE-OAK OAK CLE-SD --- CLE-JAX JAX JAX-OAK OAK TEN-OAK TEN JAX-SD SD JAX-BAL JAX PIT-OAK OAK Buffalo would need to finish in 2nd place and be tied with BAL at 7-9 or Buffalo is tied with PIT/CLE and SD and/or TEN (if TEN only has 5 conference wins) IF BUF and TEN are both 7-9 and TEN goes 2-1 but losing to AZ but winning their divisional games then they would both be 6-6, but TEN would have better common game record. beating AZ and losing 1 of their last 2 gives them only 5 conference wins.

Actually with many of these trades whose to say the star player who was traded for or drafted with that pick would have turned into the same player with that other team....Many players success or failure is greatly dependent on the talent around them and the system they play in. As for Lynch, if he didnt have that threat of long suspension hanging over him he would have returned more.

I am shocked !!!!! The only reason this game was flexed was as a favor to CBS because the NFL forced them to give up the first Denver/Kansas City game that they protected. i knew they would move another game to the 4:25 slot for their DH --just didnt think it would come like this. No matter what happens next week at least one of Philly and Chicago have something to play for. If Philly wins next week, Dallas lose next week, and Dallas lose again in the afternoon week 16, Then Philly will clinch the division before this game starts. They would be up by 2 games with dallas having only 1 to play.

Just looking at the schedule of week 16 CBS has the DH and has Pittsburgh @ Green Bay and Oakland @San Diego--2 potential blow out games. I think they would move a 1pm game to 4:25 to add another game.... The 1pm games are: Miami at Buffalo Cleveland at Jets Denver at Houston Tennessee at Jacksonville Indianapolis at Kansas City Sure that last one could be the most attractive---but with Indy clinching the division and Kansas City likely a wild card---with these two teams facing each other in the playoffs this may not be a good game because Indy could rest some players and Indy could opt to hide their play book. This game would also mean more affiliates would possibly move from Pittsburgh-green bay. Indy-KC could be the headliner for the 1pm slot. I think they have the ability to move a 1pm to a 4:25pm game a week before the start---but Im not sure on that. Miami @ buffalo moving to 4:25 gives them an additional game but also not one that necessarily strips audience from Pittsburgh-GGreen Bay but gives them a back up game to have in case that game turns into a blow out.

actually the Steelers with Big Ben and Baltimore with Flacco were unusual--they had strong defenses and a strong veteran presence and running game surrounding them --thus they played safe. Seattle was similar to them---very strong defense and a strong running game with experience at RB and WR. Indy was more of an annomolly --but Luck could be one of those special QBs. :ast year they won a bunch of close games. A play here or there in those games they easily could have been 7-9. Combined that with the situation with the head coach's health was a factor. Last year Washington got hot and benefited with the schedule. They played close in the first part of the season. After their bye they played 5 of their final 7 games against the division which benefited them in their come back.

NFC playoffs..... a lot still to be decided with DAL at CHI and CAR at NO coming up.... Gionats eliminated. DAL and PHL still play out for the week 17 game to decide the division title. If SF and AZ are tied SF has clinched 2nd place by assuring themselves a better division record. going into week 17 Arizona needs to be tied or ahead of SF in the standings for the week 17 game to be a potential winner take wild card game.

As for the AFC wild card....... Baltimore and Miami are tied at 7-6 San Diego and Jets are at 6-7 Tennessee and Pittsburgh at 5-8 MIA beat SD, PIT, Jets BAL beat Jets, MIA TEN beat Jets, SD, and PIT PIT beat Jets If the Jets and MIA are tied at 8-8 or 9-7 w/ Jets beating MIA in week 17 the Jets have the tiebreaker advantage.. If TEN win out, have Jets and pittsburgh finish 8-8 and both in 2nd place, and San Diego at 8-8 in 3rd place then Tennessee would get the wild card. Pittsburgh needs to win out, have Jets finish at 8-8 in 2nd, ENN not go 8-8, and SD end 8-8 or worse.

In order for Buffalo to make it in the playoffs at 7-9..... 1. Buffalo win 3 2. Miami lose 3 3. Baltimore lose 3 4 Jets lose 2 5. san Diego lose 2 6. pittsburgh lose 2 7. Tennessee lose 2 8 Cleveland lose 1 9 Oakland lose 1 There are a few other scenarios where Pittsburgh only loses 1/Cleveland loses 0 to finish in 2nd place at 7-9 but Buffalo get in due to tie breakers at 7-9 based on better conference record thus neutralizing the head to head loss.

Easier way to track it is just look at opponents wins---this total wins is both who they played and who they have left. 1 HOU 2 115 2 WAS 3 105 3 ATL 3 113.5 4 MIN 3.5 108 5 JAX 4 102 6 CLE 4 106 7 OAK 4 107 8 BUF 4 110 9 TB 4 117 10 PIT 5 99 11 TEN 5 103 12 NYG 5 111 13 STL 5 113

Fitz through a 41 yd TD pass.....it was an in the air pass....not a short pass with YAC.

Just happened in Denver by Denver kicker Prater from 64 yards out

It was close...its one of those bang bang plays where was his second foot down when he caught the ball. Then in the Miami -Pittsburgh game. Last play Miami up by 6 they do one of those lateral plays and the WR got the ball and looked like he could score but he stepped out of bounds around the 13. He had a few steps from the nearest defender...if he turned his run into the field instead of sideline he scores.