TheBrownBear

I see a lot of guys making errors out there. Are they all just "washed?" It seems that almost every guy on the defense has been trending down as Babich gets further into his tenure as coordinator.

I expect a close game. Their defense has some teeth to it. We can not afford to get behind the sticks with undisciplined (or phantom) penalties or it will be another long day like Atlanta. And Dalton is a veteran QB who can take advantage of the soft spots of our zone defense.

The whole team sucked for large parts of each of the last two games - Josh included. The problem is that the D plays good for one half and the O might play good for a half, but not at the same time. We need to play disciplined, consistent and nasty from the opening kickoff. That isn't happening right now. Hopefully, they can get refocused during the bye.

I've injured my neck and shoulder (multiple times) showering in the morning before a tee time. Age is undefeated.

Was Diggs ever released? He wears out his welcome over time, but he's a professional that at least puts in the work and plays nice (until he doesn't).

Correct. We aren't terrible on the lines, we have a great QB and a great running back. If we somehow hit on a couple of draft picks that turned out to be elite pass rushers and pass catchers in the next couple of years, all of a sudden we could be a juggernaut. You just have to strike gold once in awhile (off the top of my head: Chris Jones - 2nd rounder; JJ Watt - 30th pick; Puka Nacua - 5th round, etc.) Things change so quickly in the NFL.

How often do these true malcontents ever reemerge as contributors? I'm not talking about guys with off-the-field legal stuff, but the types who are such poisonous personalities that teams just cut bait. I guess Antonio Brown with the Bucs, but we all saw how that ended.

There's really no good options. I thought of Cooks for a second, but the guy hasn't been an impact receiver in almost a half-decade now. Shaheed is probably the best obtainable option, but is he really any better production wise than guys like Palmer or Samuel were before we signed them? I suppose his speed could possibly open the field a bit, but we need an impact guy, not another #3 or low end #2. I think we just suffer through it and find a way to get Kincaid, Shakir and Cook the ball as much as possible. Never thought I'd say this, but we actually miss Mack Hollins as a receiver. That's how bad the receiver room is currently.

I'm with you that I'm not really concerned by the Pats this year. Not to say they can't win the division, but they aren't world beaters or anything (though they'll become very legit soon enough under Vrabel). The big issue is the Bills themselves and their lack of talent at key positions (whether due to injury or roster mismanagement). This just isn't a Super Bowl caliber roster right now.

I think there's some recency bias here, but yes, Beane seems to be missing at higher and higher rates. That 2024 draft - woof! It's looking like it could be a complete wash. As of today, I can't see any of those players earning a second contract and I wouldn't be shocked to see some of them moved for whatever we can get within the next 12 months. Edit: And I am now 100% on board with the folks who say that Beane can't identify WR talent to save his life. He made some good moves early in his tenure by trading for Diggs and signing Beasley, but outside of getting lucky with Shakir, he's been absolutely horrendous. He's seeming enamoured with these big bodied types who are complete stiffs (Benjamin, Davis, Coleman, Shorter, Prather, etc.). I know he was a 5th round pick, but I became seriously concerned about the issue when Beane wasted a pick on Justin Shorter - a guy that anyone with a functioning set of eyes could see had no hope of translating into an NFL player. And I'm not sure what the hell he was thinking when he signed Curtis Samuel - who is just completely redundant with Shakir on the roster (and then adding Moore on top of it). Just an absolute waste of $24m.

I'm not a fan of the D scheme, but it's always been designed to give up the run. The problem is that our back end guys are so atrocious now, teams are still eating our lunch in the passing game. And these aren't even good QBs. Wait until we face Mahomes, Mayfield, etc. It's gonna be ugly.

Our secondary and receivers suck and our coordinators aren't good enough to scheme around these glaring weaknesses. We have to find a way to upgrade the talent there and it isn't likely to happen this year. Looking like a lost season. Probably 10-7 or so and a first round playoff exit.

The pressure got to him tonight. I saw him turtle on the 3rd sack instead of scrambling to his left and I knew he was done for the night.

Kudos to the D. Better late than never.

Brady called a wretched game

eh, didn't look that bad. he'll be okay.

Let's wait a second before declaring Palmer done, okay. He did appear to be in real pain though.

That's good coverage there. Just better throw and catch.

That BS call is going to cost us 7. Tre didn't even hold him at all. Guy just ran straight into his chest.

BS

Josh looks locked in. Could be a barn burner.

Not you, personally. And thanks for sharing the additional stats to bring the overall picture into better focus.

They had three rough quarters against the Ravens. Other than that, they've been "moderately good", especially considering the injuries. I understand that it's discounted by playing bad teams. Also, I want a better defense and I share the same concerns as everyone else regarding the unit's ability (or likely inability) to win a Super Bowl. I just don't agree with some of the takes inferring they've been egregiously bad. I've seen a lot of kneejerk reactions to Sunday and I'm pushing back against them. Now, if they get torched tonight, I'll consider joining the chorus of panic button pushers.

Bills defense is ranked #9 in total yardage, despite a cascade of injuries.

I jumped down your throat (probably, still warranted...lol), but nothing personal. I've just seen so many moronic takes on Twitter and this board over the last few days and I'd run out of patience. Also, welcome to the board.