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What non-QB has the highest trade value in the NFL?
TheBrownBear replied to FireChans's topic in The Stadium Wall
If you want to go with that reasoning, Jamarr Chase is just as good as JJ and has an additional year on his rookie contract.- 59 replies
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Is this the greatest offseason in franchise history? (Offseason only - forgetting what immediately preceded it, of course)
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Bills match Bears Offer Sheet for Ryan Bates, 4 yr deal
TheBrownBear replied to nato7412's topic in The Stadium Wall
Clearly we are trading Josh Allen for Baker Mayfield. -
I wouldn't say it should always be a Josh run, but yes, his running ability is one of the things that has made us so potent on offense. Go back and watch the Pats and Chiefs playoff games. Without Josh's running ability and our willingness to lean on it, there would have been many more opportunities to bite our nails while watching Haack barely escape a blocked punt.
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McKissinc changes mind, returning to Washington
TheBrownBear replied to Logic's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yes. Must be devestating to be "punished" by a powerless anonymous message board member posting from their parents' basement. -
McKissinc changes mind, returning to Washington
TheBrownBear replied to Logic's topic in The Stadium Wall
I will never begrudge another human being for following their heart and doing what they believe is best for them. Let's move on and stop embarrassing ourselves -
Okay. I think that Tua is a "legitimate starter" in the vein of of Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, David Carr, Jimmy Garopalo and others. Meanwhile we have Josh Allen. So,we win 3 out of 4 games vs the phins, where does that leave Miami?
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Buffalo has become an NFL destination once again
TheBrownBear replied to Big Turk's topic in The Stadium Wall
Can you imagine being a fan of another team when you've got to go against Josh freaking Allen? Honestly, that must be a terrible feeling. It blows my mind that we are now considered, far and away, the favorites to win the Super Bowl this coming year. We are that big bad team that is expected to wreck the league. Really fun from a fan perspective. Let's hope our guys can deliver on that promise. -
Buffalo has become an NFL destination once again
TheBrownBear replied to Big Turk's topic in The Stadium Wall
It's hard to overstate how important Josh's postseason performance this year was in all of this. We knew we had a great, HOF type QB on our hands, but I think it took this year's playoff performance to really catch the eye of players around the league. Watching those two games, they were probably like "damn, that's a cool cat, fun guy, great teammate, and an unbelievably all-world freakish talent, with the stones to deliver in the toughest moments on the biggest stage. I want to roll with that dude and help him get over the top." Buffalo's awesome fanbase is just the cherry on top. -
I've seen this stated a bunch of times by different posters to diminish Watson's stats, but it just isn't true. That Texans team lost a ton of 1 score games that were back and forth the entire time. Games that they lost on the final possession or where they held a lead or were tied heading into the 4th quarter. It wasn't compiling numbers against prevent defenses. His numbers are legit. And their defense absolutely sucked. Not worst in the league, but they finished 30th that year.
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I mostly agree. He's a damn fine quarterback and certainly a top 6-10 guy in terms of production. The thing he's got going against him is that he hasn't really been a winner in the playoffs and the 4-12 season just stands out as being really odd. I know that O'Brien purposefully submarined that team, and some historically really good QBs have been on losing teams (for example, Elway in 1990), but I have a hard time believing a truly elite QB/leader would produce a 4-12 season. I mean, can you ever imagine the Bills losing more than 9-10 games while quarterbacked by an in-his-prime Josh Allen? They are paying him to be Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Mahomes - a guy that always wins regardless of the roster. I just wonder if there isn't a little more "Dak Prescott" to him than Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Given the roster, he was absolutely NOT TERRIBLE in his final six starts of his rookie season. He put up 13 TDs, averaged 287 ypg and went 3-3 during that season ending stretch with Robert Foster and Zay Jones as his receivers. (And it would have been a 4-2 record if Clay doesn't drop that gimme at the goal line in Miami). It wasn't revisionist history or us just relying on the "eyeball test", his stats back up the claim that he was improving and actually fairly good by the end of his rookie year. Yes, there were still hero ball moments and the accuracy wasn't the best, but, assuming your viewing wasn't colored by a pre-existing agenda, you could clearly see that Josh was going to be a very good player at a minimum.
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Looming Stefon Diggs Contract situation - What do you do?
TheBrownBear replied to CountDorkula's topic in The Stadium Wall
I think this is the hope, and for all we know these types of discussions may already have or are currently taking place between Diggs, Allen and Beane. -
There were posters that legitimately believed he would be unseated by JAKE FROMM!!! LOL. Admittedly, I was a "wrong Josh" guy on draft night, but was over it and on the Allen train by the time the season kicked off. I was a true believer by the end of his first year and believed it was only a matter of time until he became a star in the league. Look at the putrid offensive roster in 2018. He was a one man offense down the stretch of that season and still produced a winning (or was it .500) record after the midway point.
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I don't know what universe these guys live in to think that Diggs will be content to play out his deal without trying to extend by the end of this year (at the latest). This is Diggs' last chance to get paid and he will be on the wrong side of 30 when his contract expires. I love Diggs right now, but history tells us that he's not beyond playing the malcontent if he views his relationship with Beane going sideways over the next 12 months.
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I mean, this is rather simplistic thinking, and is pretty much the story for every position player outside of QB. And you conveniently left out young ascending guys like DJ Moore, DeVonta Smith, Waddle, Hollywood Brown, Pittman, etc. (also, D. Johnson was the #66 pick of the draft - not undrafted). Generally speaking, the guy you grab in the 1st or 2nd round is more likely going to be better than the guy you'd grab in the 3rd or 4th round at the same position. Also, when you're comparing 1st round receivers to the rest of the draft field (2nd through 7th rounds) you have to take into account how many more receivers are drafted in the final 6 rounds of the draft. What's the flameout/bust rate for a 1st round receiver vs. the bust rate for the rest of the field? At the end of the day, the Bills scouting department will grade all these guys out and take the best player available at a position of need at #25. If that happens to be a CB, the pick will be a CB. If it happens to be a WR, it will be a WR.
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I agree and we are clearly in "win now" mode with the Miller signing, so I don't see anything like this happening. But it's a fun exercise to consider a shorter sure-fire window now vs. a potentially longer window albeit with the risk of the unknown attached to it.
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It seems crazy, and I personally LOVE DIGGS, but then you look at what guys like Chase and Justin Jefferson (#22 pick, btw) have done and you can't help but wonder.
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Just curious - what kind of return would we get for trading Stefon Diggs? Not that I'm a proponent of that, but given the Hill news today it got me thinking about it. Trade Diggs and, assuming a 1st round pick is part of the deal, draft his replacement, use the other 1st round pick on a CB, another receiver or Breece Hall. Would set the Bills up for a good 4-5 year run with young cheap playmakers for Allen. And frees up money to refresh other areas of the team.
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2022 Free Agency - Around the NFL Thread
TheBrownBear replied to Draconator's topic in The Stadium Wall
I know it's been said many times already, but damn, this has got to be the craziest offseason in NFL history from a player movement perspective. -
Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]
TheBrownBear replied to Dablitzkrieg's topic in The Stadium Wall
We did limit Mahomes in the first road game in KC when he had all his weapons. None of the other QBs in our division have done anything positive against the Bills, most notably Tua, who has been atrocious. But yes, our defense has generally struggled against 1st ballot HOF quarterbacks like Mahomes and Brady. -
Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]
TheBrownBear replied to Dablitzkrieg's topic in The Stadium Wall
The Pats defense is slow and getting slower, so I'll give you that. The Bills were torched in KC in the playoffs, but that's without Tre White and, again, it's KC and they do that to everyone when they are on. -
Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]
TheBrownBear replied to Dablitzkrieg's topic in The Stadium Wall
I agree that they couldn't keep him at that price, but you can't deny that they just got worse in the short term. This is a move for 2-3 years down the line. -
Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]
TheBrownBear replied to Dablitzkrieg's topic in The Stadium Wall
Hill's insane speed is the number one reason they beat the Bills. You take him out of the equation and the Bills are probably still hungover from their Super Bowl parade.