MarlinTheMagician

You're right on. I think this is one of his most impressive years. He got us much younger, and out of cap hell. People are fearful because there is change, but here is an optimistic view on the "slash and burn" -- Diggs gave us literally nothing for 2/3rds of a year and removing his persona hints at addition by subtraction; love Po, always, but Po looked slow; Feel so bad for Hyde, hope he retires before injured, but probably not worth his contract rate last year; Morse was one concussion away from being a cap albatross and always had trouble anchoring, and he always had trouble anchoring; Tre White was an all-time favorite for me, but performance year 1 after an achilles is typically poor; Gabe Davis - love the human, the player added little and contributed a lot to Josh's interceptions by not being "on the same page" with Josh; Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson - it was time. All along the past 2-3 years, we have injected impressive young talent. Cook, Torrence, Kincaid, Bernard, Benford and Brown. I was very skeptical at the time, but locking up Oliver was genius. I think we are a much better team right now than last year. It may take a bit to gel, but we are younger, stronger, faster, healthier and cheaper. This is a golden age of team management - probably the best ever - as well as on field performance. Judge me now, but save the post -- the on-field team in 2024 will be better than 2023 and 2022 teams (that 2021 team could have really won it though). I think we need one more year of reloading to optimize the roster, but we are a strong competitor for the Super Bowl right now. Staying healthy, rookie contributions and Von's hoped-for recovery will all be key. But give us a couple breaks and we can win it.

Boy, we stand to be so loaded with picks next year. Can even do a Douglas-type deal at the deadline to get some of what we need this if Beane wants with one of our fourth's (I know, NFL may screw us again).

Miss Tre' a lot - and have since the ACL save three games last year. Hope he comes back and kills it for LA, and works his way back to Buffalo to finish up at the end, sound and healthy.

All good here. Entirely reasonable for two fans to see a player differently. Go Bills!

You got your opinion I got mine - except you got no vision bro. Just a bowl of vitriol, a cup of vinegar where there should be sweetness, negativity that. drips. That ain't got no swag at all. You a one trick pony - and the trick is to pee on all the other ponies.

Would not hate getting Zay back at all. He is a professional wideout. I don't know if he fits the "process" - if Beane/McDermott concludes he does he would be a nice add, IMHO. I don't really hold the hotel dash against him - he was obviously going through some sh**. If he has his head right, he could be interesting add of a vet presence.

Nah man, you don't want him on the Jets. He can win if he has a top D. Be happy bruh.

Coleman going to be all that! I would not bet my house, but I would bet a lot.

He ain't like Mac Jones. Couldn't be much different. Jones has a noodle. McCarthy does not. And whether or not he is good, McCarthy got the dog in him, ex-hockey playing with a bit of nasty. Mac Jones = tennis player.

Maybe you're right, but I think he is good. No one really knows. But I remain glad the Jets didn't take him! When Rogers breaks they can roll with Tyrod instead of McCarthy. I'll take that!

I don't dislike RGIII at all. Seems like a good dude. But I thought it was so funny that RGIII was trying to bond with Coleman over being from Louisiana and Coleman was not having it. "Nah, you got all that French stuff - we a little more country out in Appaloosa, but we got some stuff too,." RGIII: I'll show you, you can get the best Poh Boy at a gas station. Coleman: Nah, our gas station got two pumps." 🤣

What do I know really, but the reviews I have read say he has a very powerful arm. That was on display in the games I watched. The criticism I read is that he throws everything hard, and sometimes lacks the desired touch.

Jets should have went hard for McCarthy. He was there for them. Instead they took a tackle to keep the Rogers dream alive. But McCarthy is probably good enough right now to win behind that defense. I watched him a lot at Michigan because I had a daughter there. Jets would have been like Michigan all over - very strong defense, do enough on offense to not screw it up and maybe even make some plays. Glad they took the tackle.

All this sturm and drang over a pick that Beane, Josh Allen and our scouts were obviously comfortable with from a bunch of arm-chair experts is exhausting. Give the man a chance. For me, he is the best wide-receiver drafted until he gives me reason to give up the dream. By definition, he has not yet done so. Let's go baby 20-0!

What you say about baseball is true in your baseball example. But it is not analogous or instructive here. If Coleman's gauntlet time was aided by the fact that he mistakenly went out of bounds, they would have thrown out the time and made him do it over. Like a false start in the 40 yard dash. Going out of bounds did not help his Gauntlet time. And the original poster did not suggest that it did - he was just deriding Coleman for making a mistake. The time he ran is his time. The mistake was perhaps a dumb mistake, but it didn't, couldn't, aid his time. They would never allow him to compare favorably to other prospects based on an inadvertent "cheat" like running full speed past second base even if it was an ineffective baseball move (because the runner would be out at second). They posted the combine time that Coleman earned, and that happened to be the fastest. There is no way around that.

Man, I have come full circle on this pick. Just watched the full interview the poster put up earlier. That kind of easy confidence from a 20 year-old strongly suggests to me he is going to be a star. Confidence like that comes from past performance and knowing what you can do. Focused, but not a care in the world. I think he is going to be a great pro, putting my stake in the ground today. And I hated the pick - maybe I was right then and wrong now, but I think he is a star in the league.

I think he also ran last in that or another drill. I love our Hardy pick - my daughter goes to Penn State so I watched him a lot. He runs a 4.38, I believe. Hits like a truck too. But I don't think the 5'9" Hardy would enjoy covering Coleman. Different courses for different horses -- seems people don't accept that.

Wow. Didn't know that. Thanks for posting!

This is a self-defeating argument my man. Guys that slow down to catch the ball are not as fast as their 40 time where the ain't gotta catch no nothing. Poster was not being a grumpy old man. As a grumpy old man I take some offense to that!

Cooper Kupp Correction of my self - THE fastest gauntlet time in two years. Second fastest go route. No one jogs in the gauntlet - speed is a core point of the drill.

Exactly. See my immediately prior post. Samuel is juxtaposed with Coleman in our scheme. We have a true speedster there, and Shakir is a 4.4 player. Adding Coleman allows us to not be bullied by press corners in the playoffs (something that consistently happened to Diggs). As corners get smaller to keep up with the speed of guys like Worthy, Coleman becomes more valuable -- in general and to us in particular. We didn't have that big, physical wideout before. Same here, I was so bummed when we took Coleman. A cooling off period and rational examination of facts and video has made me more than happy to give the young man a chance with an open mind and a hopeful heart! Go Keon!

40 yard dash time is no more directly related to success than other combine stats, and many state that it does not correlate as well as things like route speed. It is undeniable. (see NextGen stats), that the trend is towards smaller, lighter and thus faster receivers. This is proven. The natural response to that is smaller, lighter faster DBs. IMHO, it is very smart to run counter-trend at those smaller DBs. Having a big, bullying WR in the arsenal to swat the nats away. It is illogical to call Coleman "slow" without considering his weight. From NextGen: When analyzing speed, it is also crucial to factor in weight. In addition to being the fastest receiver class, the 2024 crop is the second lightest, averaging 196.1 pounds -- lighter than the 2003 class by over 6 pounds. This is not just a one-year anomaly, either. The last four draft classes have featured the four lightest wide receiver groups since 2003. From 2003 to 2020, 820 wide receivers were invited to the combine. Only 25 of them (3 percent) weighed 175 pounds or less. Over these last four draft classes (including the 2024 group), the percentage of players checking in below that weight threshold has more than doubled, to 8.3 percent, with 15 total receivers weighing in at 175 pounds or less.

So Coleman didn't just run the fastest gauntlet time this year, he ran the fastest in the last TWO years. The fastest last year - who also had a slow 40 -- was Puka Nakua and Coleman was faster than him. At least Puka didn't jog, and he is not too bad.

And for those asking about "Group 8" - that may just be a NextGen Stats thing. HIs Gauntlet and "GO" results are from among all wideouts it appears. From the Lions pre-draft fan board: Keon Coleman, Florida State (6-foot-3 1⁄4, 213 pounds) The former Michigan State product may have turned some fans away with his 4.61 40-yard dash—the second slowest time of the wide receiver group—but for a team like the Lions that value GPS timing over the 40, Coleman is still likely high atop their wide receiver rankings. As the NFL Network broadcast brought up several times, NFL Rookie of the Year candidate Puka Nacua (4.57 40-yard dash) ran the fastest time in the “gauntlet drill” last year (20.06 MPH), illustrating how his GPS speed translates more than straight-line speed. This year, Coleman took home the honor of the fastest gauntlet time (20.36 MPH), the second fastest “go route” time (21.71 MPH)—behind only Thomas—as well as landing in the top four of several other categories Next Gen Stats GPS tracks. Coleman’s game film points to his route precision needing to be cleaned up, but in on-field drills, you could tell he is working on that part of his game. While going full speed through the routes, Coleman stayed on course and covered ground very quickly. He got low into his breaks and showed explosion getting out of them. His length showed up in his stride and catching radius, and his hands looked very solid on the day as a whole.

W\ Why in the world would others be "dogging it' at the combine that defines their pay for the next 4-5 years? That rings hollow with me. If they were, I don't want any of those guys.