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Not to mention the blatant pass interference that Rice had on McKelvin to make that catch. No call there. Like its already been said, i don't think the refs lost the game but they definitely had some very suspect calls. Especially the no call on Stevie, when he was 5 yards out of bounds.

Did anybody else see it? It was a real good interview. Good to see the Bills getting some TV time.

Same kind of people who build the New Meadowlands stadium and don't own the Jets or Giants. Or the people who own University of Phoenix stadium and don't own the Cardinals. Just because you own an NFL does not mean you own the stadium. I wouldn't say i completely agree with that. The rams and raiders both left because of stadium issues and wanting a new one and LA basically saying the Coliseum was fine. So they bolted when they didn't get a new stadium, not because of the fan base. I think LA could and most likely will support an NFL team.

Thats a good question. It could have something to do with the people that own the Coliseum, who are completely against it, because they would want an NFL team there. Just recently they signed USC to play in the Coliseum for like 8 years or something, so maybe since they have a team locked in there they have given up fighting a new stadium being built. Also the former mayor and tax payers didn't want a new stadium being built for a NFL team and would have wanted them to play in the Coliseum. Which NFL team would want to leave a city for a crappy stadium, that wasn't even designed for football? None I would suspect. Basically the same thing that happened with the Lakers and finally moving to the Staple Center. With a new mayor that likes to spend money and add to that this rebirth of Downtown LA, they've added lots of venues like Staple Center, Nokia center, and I'd say thats where all this interest is finally coming from.

Bout a week or 2 ago on Channel 4 NBC, out here in Los Angeles, they did a segment on the NFL coming here. Talked to both prospective stadium builders. First guy was from AEG, the people who built the Staple center. He talked about how their plan for a stadium would be to put the stadium directly downtown, next to the Staple center, ripping out the old part of the convention center. Seemed like a really nice idea and completely feasible. The next guy, sorry can't remember his name, was the billionaire who wants to build a stadium 45 mins from LA out in a place called city of industry. He owns the land and did the interview on where he would plan to build the stadium. Guy seemed like a complete jerk btw. Then they interviewed a guy from the NFL who said they weren't looking to expand any teams, so there was no way LA could get an expansion team. Then they talked to the two builders about acquiring teams. The billionaire guy basically stated that he was gonna strong arm some teams to come out here by throwing money at them or buying them out and listed 6 teams he thought he could do this with, buffalo being one of them. Then they interviewed the AEG guy, who basically said he didn't want to take away a team from a strong fan base, he is from cleveland originally, and was there and witnessed both what happened in baltimore when they lost the colts and in cleveland when they lost the browns. Said he has absolutely no interest in doing that and would rather get a team and owner that wants to come out to LA and they wouldn't have to lure them out here. They seem to be targeting San Diego or San Francisco because of those cities not wanting to build them new stadiums and also keeping it a California based team. Billionaire guy is ahead of the AEG in terms of stadium development b/c he has gotten approval from the various agencies like EPA, city, etc. At the end of the segment, they ended up saying that both of these plans are completely on hold because no one wants to go forward with anything when the new CBA hasn't been figured out. Still it was a pretty interesting piece. I like the AEG proposal better and their plan better.

I wonder if these fines can be payed to charitys and therefore fall under the only pay 50% rule, if it goes to a charity. Then it would only be $75,000...

Great pics showing that hit, BTW. Its funny, but if Harrison would have wrapped up, lowered his shoulder, and put his head off to the side, it would have been a great hit still. And not to mention completely legal. I don't understand why players think lowering your shoulder can't do as much damage as a helmet. Not that damaging a player should be your goal, but a shoulder to the gut or chest area, hard enough, would certainly knock the wind out of someone. Not to mention by wrapping him up at the waist, you can get a little leverage and lift and drive to the ground. This can't be that hard to re-teach someone.

Not to nit pick, because i actually agree with the rule change, but i played pop warner up through high school. In pop warner it was always lower the head and wrap up taught by my coaches. When i got to high school, it was lead with ur head and go for the knock out blow taught by coaches. Maybe it was because it was legal or whatever, but leading with ur head was most certainly taught by our coaches and others. Makes me wonder with the rule change if high schools have adapted and changed.

It was crazy, if it wasn't for the hold, he might have had his FIRST nfl sack. Completely blew past the LT.

Seriously, it was one bad game. Time to get over it and move on. Not like we were playing for a playoff spot. But sure some of these posters want to act like we are, and run someone out of town. Look out, better not make any mistakes ever if you're playing for the Bills. Otherwise twobillsdrive will revolt and say how terrible, immature, etc you are.... and run you out of town.

I love Marecic... Guy is a beast. Plays iron man football. Makes me wonder, how much better he would be if he played just one way. I also like Skov at linebacker, but seeing as he's only a sophomore, he'll be around for a couple more years.

Well of course they are arbitrary, there is no stat for missed wide open receivers. The closest stat we have is comp %. Which for the past 4 games, the games when some fans fell in love with fitz, his completion percentsge was around 57%, as already stated in this thread. But you can sit there and say you havent noticed the missed receivers or errant throws.

I think you are right to say even elite qb's miss wide open receivers. But where the differences lie between fitz and elite qb's is how often fitz misses wide open recievers. Like the passage of time, its almost guarunteed fitz will throw 4-5 god awful passes and miss wide open guys in ONE GAME. For an elite qb he might miss that same amount over the course of 2 or 3 games.

+1 I live in LA right now, and refuse to own a dog because 1.) I dont have a yard to let a dog roam freely and 2.) Dont have the time and dedication it takes to own a dog. Ive had dogs my entire life and refuse to be part of this culture that thinks its ok to take a tammed wild animal and cage it up all day or not let it roam freely. And for those same dog lovers that say there dog is part of the family, would you lock ur child up alone and home? If you want to truly help a dog, instead of bitching on a bills forum, like ur the voice of reason, why dont you take a couple hours out of your day and spend some time at your local shelter. Thats what I do. And yes im also non-religious and have forgiven michael vick. People make mistakes in life. As far as his on the field play. He looked like an MVP last night. He connected with 4 different recievers for TDs. As well as running for 2. He certainly gets my vote for the first half of the season.

I must say, it kind of bothers me when people have an opinion on a player and someone doesnt agree and has to resort to name calling like numbskulls and idiot. That being said, its great to compare stats, we could compare stats of Qb's all day long til we are all blue in the face. In the end there is only one stat that matters the most. Wins, period. Fitzpatrick just cant seem to get that most important of stats. Of which oddly, the guy you have chosen to compare has more of. And has in a way turned St. Louis around. And yes I know people will say its a team game and blah, blah, blah. Yet guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady continue to win, eventhough their defense is mediocre. It seems as though they can plug any player in on offense and it works. Why is that? Im sorry if some of us are of the opinion that fitz will never be one of those guys. We watch the games and see a guy who plays with lots of heart and has flashes of brillance. But who on many occasions(i counted 5 missed wide open recievers yesterday) is widely inaccurate. I dont think anyone here thinks fitzpatrick sucks. He makes the bills fun to watch. But just as Trent made a 5-1 bills team fun to watch, some of us choose to be cautious on nominating fitz the future. Oh and not to punch holes in your theory that we get our opinions from ESPN and NFLN, but most of the analysts actually like Fitz. So if we followed them, we actually all be on the same page.

So let me get this straight Mr. Goodell, the 19 year old Georgia dome isnt good enough for a Super Bowl, but the 35 year old Superdome is? That logic makes complete sense.... what a crock. So basically you want to hold the city of Atlanta ransom and say you not good enough to hold a Super Bowl unless u drop millions or billions of dollars on a new stadium, that is prolly not needed.

I dont mean to punch holes in your theory, but July isnt recently. Im not sure why you dug up this article to disprove another persons article... peoples minds change through the course of months, especially knowing you could be the overall #1 pick. Do I know if Luck will enter the draft, no. Do you? No. You opinion of the matter has been well documented through just about every Luck thread. Is this possibly an attempt to save face if he does actually come out?

Its too bad the "sky is falling" people couldnt wait til a report of the injury came out. If they had they would have found out it was only minor, and "to be expcted" from what chan said. Hell chan even said before this that he wasnt sure merriman would be in football shape right away.

Better watch what you say around here, you will get called an idiot or a moron for having a difference in opinion. Funny how when he goes on the fritz, all who blindly support him, agree that it is never fitz's fault. Ever.

I watched the game and will have to respectfully disagree. First, how can you be sure that the check down wasn't the play called. I counted a handful of plays that were meant to be thrown out into the flat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with short passes, they keep cornerbacks and safties honest, so that a receiver can eventually burn them for a big play, which happened a couple times. Secondly when your #1 receiver has 9 catches for 165 yards, the QB is not checking down an awful lot. Third Andrew Luck averaged 9.2 yards per throw. Not really an average you would expect from a QB checking down. And fourth, and I think the most important point, dude its college ball, not the NFL, remember that when trying to be sooo critical of QB play. He doesn't have the best of the best at WR, who can get open for him. Every analyst seems to be an agreement that he is the man, the best there is in college football. Lets not be too judgemental and just enjoy watching him play and hope that we get to see him in a Bills uni next year.

Also its his loss because he would lose out on a bunch of money. Money from this year AND possibly a big contract next year. He hasnt proven he can still play at an elite level since the injuries. No team will pay big bucks for him if he doesnt report and prove he can still play. NFL countdown said last night that this could be his last chance in the NFL. If he has half a brain, he will report

Well you were right about one thing.... he won't remain the 2nd highest rated QB in the league. QB ratings Also that seemed like one point overall, i don't think you ever stated your 2nd point, or I missed it. Im confused as to why you say everyone knows he won't remain at that level. So basically you are admitting he isn't an elite level QB because he can't keep the stats up? Kinda proves the point i was making that he is a serviceable QB and maybe not the long term answer, no? Listen, I am not saying he sucks, I actually enjoyed his play in the Baltimore game, it was exciting. And yes he does have the rest of the season to prove that he deserves to be a starter. But people can't get upset when other people say he is what he is. Or he is what we thought he was. Its not that the KC game was his only mediocre game to judge him by, he played 3 other fairly mediocre games this season as well, which i think most fans are not taking into account.

I completely disagree with this post. All QB's do not do what Fitz has done collectively for the season. Elite level QB's play lots of great games and maybe a few bad ones. They don't play consistently mediocre ones and 1 great game. Also elite QB's find was to win and drive there teams down the field to win. Again no one here is saying Fitz sucks. He is completely serviceable. As far as you comparing Rivers to Fitz. I've seen a lot of Philip Rivers as well. To compare them is completely asinine as well. Rivers body of work speaks for itself. I don't really understand how you can compare the two. Since taking over starting duties Rivers has taken his team to the playoffs each year. And he has been to the pro bowl 2 times. This year, he leads the #1 passing attack in NFL. He has had 5 games of passing over 300 yards(there's that not playing mediocre all the time, but playing great all the time). Not to mention 2 of those games were over 400 yards!! He has 15 tds with 7 int. He has played more games that Fitz this season, but seeing as Rivers has consistency on his side I'd say its not a fluke that he is doing this well. All of this, while not even having his #1 wideout this year. Idk, what your watching but Rivers is light years ahead of Fitz. This week he was even able to win and throw for over 300 despite Malcolm Floyd, Legedu Naanee, and Craig Davis all missed the game, and Antonio Gates was hurt. And against a very good Titans defense. Hmmm being able to have a great game despite who is playing at receiver. Does that sound like another Elite NFL QB? Sure does. I think you may have heard of him, in case you haven't his name is Peyton Manning.

Im sorry but his logic just doesnt make sense to me. Fitz hasnt had just 1 bad game, so idk why some people keep using that stat. He has had ONE great game. He was ok to mediocre in his other 4 starts this season. Can u say that same thing about Brees or Manning? Have they been only mediocre in the rest of their starts? The answers no. So comparing them is asinine. Great Qbs have great games all the time, and yes an occasional bad one. Not to mention 2 of the 3 bad games listed(manning, brady "bad games") they still won. I dont think anyone here is saying Fitz sucks. But its important to look at fitzs entire body of work. And the people who are arguing against him are simply saying this shows he is not the answer.

Listen, the loss is a combination of things. Is Fitz one of those? Yes. I'm sorry if you can't see that throwing an interception while driving is costly. Not to mention missing a wide open CJ Spiller to end the game in OT. Which would have taken wining the game off of Lindell's shoulders. How about the 4 to 5 errant throws he made. A couple of those could have been INTs. Yes he makes some good throws. But I'd say he makes a good amount of god-awful looking throws too. And this happens every game with Fitz, Is that something you want to see out of a "franchise" QB? I'd hope not.