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Well not really Bean & company brought in a vet but due to premature evacuation they sent him to Oakland which i didn't get at all !! They had 2 guys with 1 yrs experience in the NFL & what 2 games started ? Why would you trade the only guy that has 4 yrs invested in the league before you know what you have when the real season starts makes NO sense what so ever, then you put in place the thought of what happened last year to Nate when he was put in to start a game wouldn't you think that they should have at least kept AJ for 2 games ?? Then if they were going to wait to put Allen in say game 6 to 8 he would have had AJ to be that mentor for the time he was here & on the field again it makes no sense even if AJ wasn't a starter he still has seen a lot more than either of the other 2 that were in that room & i think would have been a steadying presence given what he told the guys on the field during the last preseason game ...

I'm on board i would think the rookies could do as well as the vets are doing to this point & maybe even better because they are hungrier & from what i've heard about Teller's strength that could be a plus . For the last 2 seasons it has been more than apparent to every one but this O line coaching staff that Ducasse & Mills are average or below average at best & have finished in the bottom half of rankings each of the last 2 seasons so why are they still there ? Could it be because Juan is good buddies with Vlad I'm thinking that's part of it the other is he can't see the forest for the trees !! Last year the O line was doing terrible as another poster said & when the guys went & said for the coach to simplify the blocking scheme things changed quickly & i'm one to think that if you don't learn from your past it time for you to go so set Juan free or give him a quality control position some where other than the O line !!

Compared to the way i felt after the first game with Nate at the helm it's 100 times better & i realize that with all the rookies on the field we are not going to be a play off contender & the fact that there are some more tweaks that need to be made coaching wise so i would be glad if we do a 7-9 season . But i think given the cap space they will have next year & another good draft the team is on the upswing & McD's process will show a increase each season as it goes along so i am willing to stay patient & see how this works out . Plus a lot has been said how the first 4 games of this years season was against some of the top defenses in the league last year so i was kind of expecting a rough start !! After that the "Experts" say it will get easier for us ...

And to a bunch of other teams too but in a much classier way than the way Davis did it . This year alone there has been quite a few retirements before the actual season started ! This year Eric Decker, Ritchie Incognito, Vontae Davis, all retired during the start of the pre or regular season & there are quite a few more that decided just prior to the preseason like DeMarco Murray that called it a career so maybe it's just the changing of the guard or something in the water !!

Who was it that said if the player is thinking about retirement they are already done playing ??

I'm with you totally !! This way of quitting or just giving up & not manning up is a younger generation thing I have always aired on letting my reputation as a person stand up straight & doing what is in the interest of professional courtesy & not screwing some one . Unless of course you are put in a absolute no win situation which Davis wasn't !! I get it that the other guys hands got cold for getting those carts but hey that should have been recognized as part of the job before agreeing to being hired so that's on him . Davis had $1.5 Million reasons in a signing bonus to at the very least go back out & stay on the side line until the end of the game to root on his team mates, if he thought he was hurting them by his play then pulling himself from the game could have been understood but to leave the way he did was a chicken S**t move !!

You could send him back to Philly with Sproles being hurt it would give them another option at the RB position & he would be back where he considered home before the brilliance that was the Chipster came to town & dismantled a great team . At least if for nothing else the fans would love it & he goes to a winning team & he could end his career where ehe began it & had his best seasons & by doing that Shady may even give McD & company some praise for doing it that way ...

You mean kind of like the Browns & the Colts have for the last couple of years stay relevant while building a good team ? I think that the Bills have been blind sided by a few things & some comes to lay at the feet of a second year HC & one is seeing a better option in his friend Juan Castillo than looking at what was there prior & leaving well enough alone but the Rams are happy he didn't !! You add to that the retirement of 2 starting O linemen & then the trade of their starting LT due to injury history which with out the retirement of the other 2 would have been much easier to take but the retirement thing is something that needs to be dealt with & they are doing their best at this time to figure it out . Then you throw in the screwing that Davis gave them yesterday which i think by them signing him they thought he would take a huge weight off their shoulders to keep the secondary strong but showed yesterday he isn't which if he only would have handled it differently i think it would have been looked at in a totally different light but wasn't !! Then you through in the fact of the amount of rookies & second year players on the field expecting to keep the team a float plus you add to that getting rid of the only "Veteran QB" on the roster before you see what the second year QB looks like when the real bullets start flying & all this together gives us what we see on the field a team in rebuild mode. So i'm willing to cut McD some slack because by some of his actions like taking over the defensive play calling yesterday & doing a better job in the second half & saying they knew it would't be easy i have faith that he & his FO will see what's wrong & fix it but it won't be over night !! GO BILLS !!

I thought that dude was going to be so good !! ?

McD needs to do something to shake up the O line play Castillo's player preference's needs to be taken out of that consideration because the only reason why Ducasse is here is because of him . Ducasse is nothing more than a possible depth option & they should have their rookies in there just as they do with the QB position to be getting game experience ! Miller I'm not as sure about because he did well a couple years back I think that his regression has more to do with the O line coaches incompetence & blocking scheme than it does with his ability . We saw last year what a difference it made when they changed from a zone blocking scheme back to a more man or power blocking scheme that they used the year before . Castillo might be a good guy but he has the Tyrod syndrome when it comes to play on the field he is average at best time to move on Castillo has had 2 years to prove what he's worth & to this point he ain't showed me anything but why he got fired in Philly !!

That was pretty chicken **** of him the least he could have done was play out the game & retire !! I hope there is a way they can not pay him to he doesn't deserve a penny more then what he got paid to this point !! I don't see how he can expect to get paid it's almost like he signed with the intention of screwing the Bills over for a pay check ! Seems as though he just hung out long enough to guarantee he would get the full $5 MILLION for the season which is a crock of S**T !!

It's pretty apparent if not to the powers that be then at least to us the fans ! Should have kept AJ, should have put Ducasse & Mills as depth players & used their draft picks or brought in some FA O linemen & got a competent O line coach ! Also kept other WR's like Streator, Rielly rather than trading a draft pick for a WR that hadn't proven anything to this point just to let him go ! Maybe next year i'll get a application for HC if these type of decisions are all it takes !! GO Bills !!

Wait until they change it to only 2 preseason games it aught to get real good then !!

Is this a single digit or double digit count of receptions ? Shady will have double digit can't say for the rest of them ??

There are other free agent options out there that they should be looking at that could upgrade the room I believe they are hoping that what they have will start seeing the light by mid season & turn the corner to develop into decent WR's but until then we are still waiting !! Hey Zay S**t or get off the pot would you !!

They need to follow the email trail & hang that dude in the class room & the others up by their balls in the city square ! That's the kind of S**T you see on criminal minds & will probably be one of the sick Bastards you see on the news one night that has done some real horrible act against some innocent people !! Not to mention that if the O line has sucked for years why have the Bills had one of the top rushing offenses the past 3 or so years sure there has been change but that morons ain't got a clue !!!

Tuhrod/Tyrod please get over it say it the way it's spelled not the way mom called him after 3 yrs of calling him Tyrod just stop !! There now the foolish thing is that even thought they didn't want to keep Tyrod because they were going to have to pay him a S**T ton of money they had a veteran QB they signed for little money in comparison & pulled a premature evacuation move when they should have at the very least kept him for a couple weeks to see how this would play out given Peterman's history & the fact that they had a supposed plan for Allen !! Not the best move made by the coach !!

I work driving entertainer coaches & a couple of week s back i did a run that took me to Wisconsin, Marc Bulger was the client he also had 2 of his friends with him which were none other than Jared Allen & Keith Bullock talk about some big boys ! But when i told Keith that i was a Bills fan he immediately said "Yah that Bills Mafia they love to party i use to love going up to Buffalo" I thought even the players know which teams have the best reputation for partying !! With that said i read a article that "Lights Out" Shawn Merriman was going to come up to the game this week & if he got enough people to sign waivers that he was going to slam them through tables out in the parking lot before the game I guess that this means he won't be participating in the pre game fun !!

Gilmore i understood he was going to ask for unreal money & he got it good for him but he's still the same player he was here hot & cold !! Darby on the other hand i didn't get it he was still on his rookie contract McD must have had something on him so he got rid of him but Darby didn't mind seeing as he is now a SB Champ !! Then you add to all that the players they let walk last year that really helped out the back end & some that were still out on the FA market like Leonard Johnson they could have fixed some of their problems but moves like the Colemen one just leave you as a fan going WTH !!

Zay J. aint no #2 either his mom thinks he's a #1 i got news for her !!

McD is a second year HC & like Petermen being a second year QB will be prone to make a mistake or 2 & i think like you alluded to he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in a basket that had 2 unproven commodities as NFL QB's & not keeping AJ around to at the very least see how things would pan out in the first couple of weeks ! Not for nothin I know the last game of the preseason that AJ played the entire game he proved his leadership if nothing else, sure it was against left over players of sorts but every time according to the after game interviews he would tell the guys in the huddle "we are going to do something historic today" or tell them " we are going to win this" that is what you need to win in this league ! No matter what is happening in the game you need a guy that can focus on the next play & forget the prior one bad or good & AJ has done that his entire career & is really good when the chips are stacked against him ! We will never know what might have been & by all accounts here most think AJ would have done no better but from anything I've seen of the NFL in the past keeping a vet QB to back up a unproven one is something most every team does & i chalk that up as a huge mistake on our second year HC's resume !!

The reason why Peterman won the job was because he looked good in the preseason & by the looks of the Bills secondary last week it's no wonder he looked good that should say something ! All that said they still should have kept AJ just incase something like this happened & they didn't want to throw Josh in right away it would have given him at least 2 weeks to see how things go in game speed !

Or pick ups some one like the Faulk kid that the Titans let go & stash him on the practice squad !!

While it looks like the FO is trying to bring in some more players to upgrade in spots why aren't they bringing in players with a decent resume that could be stop gap players while the process is being worked on ? I know Mcbean has a certain type of player in mind but there are some really good players out there sitting just waiting for a call from a team . Here's a list found on another site who of these players would you bring in that could be plug ing players ? I for one am not for the one they say we should bring in but there are others that we could which ones would you all say should at least be being looked at by the Bills FO as a lease option ? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2795030-best-free-agent-option-remaining-for-every-nfl-team#slide12

The second opinion sticks more with me because i read a article on Rumblings that said there were plenty of missed opportunity's that Petermen didn't take advantage of so even though Warner may have a point i'm hoping that part of that could be due to the inexperience of the QB's !! Time will tell !!