OldTimer1960

Why do you have to come off as a know-it-all? How about a reasonable counter argument?

A good starting CB is a lot easier to find (and less valuable in terms of building a winning team) than a good starting QB.

You are right $10 is as good as $100 in purchase power.

There is a LOT of hype about haw draft capital rich the Bills are this year. Looking at the Bills’ picks this year, it seems that they are a lot poorer than the hype. in round 1, Bills picks 21st and 22nd. Neither pick is a prime selection. *Maybe* a trade of both picks gets them high enough to get a good QB prospect. in round 2, both picks are in the bottom third of the round. All of the exciting players who might be left till round 2 will be long gone by the Bills’ 2 late picks in this round. The Bills’ own pick in round 3 was traded for Kelvin Benjamin- like that trade... BUT the remaining “draft capital “ in round 3 is the very LAST pick of the round. It is unlikely that pickbis finding a long-term contributor. Round 4 may give a shot at a mid-level contributor for a few years and the 5th round picks are fairly long shots to ever be a contributor. Bottom line, I don’t see a QB in this draft worth trading the farm for. So far this offseason, I have no reason to believe that any of Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph are any worse prospect than Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Mayfield. With the the recognition that waiting until 21 might get them shut out of the QB derby, I can’t see a powerful case to pay a lot to trade up...

If the Vike’ings let Bridgewater hit free agency, then there should be serious questions about his health. Bridgewater had a VERY SERIOUS knee injury and is very questionable to come back to play at NFL level. I think that Miami was happy to take Dan Marino late in the 83 first round. It just is not a very exact science.

I would not trade much for him. He had one good season and a few good games at the best time after Wentz was injured. Chances are high that he returns to his average-at-best self with extended playing time. I don’t think that it would be wise to trade for Foles, unless the price is a 3rd round pick or later. Alex Smith is FAR more accomplished and he cost only a 3rd and a non-stellar CB.

While I am not in favor of a big trade up, it would be disappointing to not come out of round 1 with a decent QB prospect. I don’t think that they will be able to even get a Mike White kind of guy where the sit in round 2 without moving up.

I think that they can use their full time for pick 21 and right up to the end of the allotted time for pick 22 without risk of the team with pick 23 jumping ahead of them. However, this only helps them if they want to trade one of those picks for a player or trade back to a later pick. If their objective is to move up for a QB, waiting until their pick is too late to ponder that.

I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that it isn't extremely desirable to have a great QB. If you can get someone on the level of Brady, Rodgers, Brees or even Rothlisberger, you can at least contend almost every year. Beyond a handful of guys like that, you need a reasonably balanced team with competent NFL QB and then you hope to compete. Still, looking at sustained great players like above, how many have there been in the draft over the last decade? It is going to be very hard and costly to get to the top of the draft for a shot at one of these guys whom you hope can carry your team. I'm game for a small trade up to take a chance on Rudolph or Jackson or Mayfield, if he makes it out of the top-10. At least with those guys you have a *hope* that they can bring competent QB play. None of the QBs in this year's draft are sure things.

I am hoping for QB and DL if they hold onto both first round picks.

For sure, the Pats often trade down for extra picks or trade a current year pick for a future pick one round earlier. The link below shows several years that they had multiple 2nd/3rd round picks. From a glance, I didn't see many brilliant picks in there. I think that you are right that they don't hit on a higher rate of selections, but they have more chances. I still think, though, that Brady and Belichick are the reason that they have won so much rather than their draft system. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

If they can’t get in range to get a good QB prospect, i’D be game to trade 21 or 22 for a 1st next year and a top 1/2 of the second round pick this year. Thought being that if you don’t have a QB, they likely will finish lower than they did this year and an earlier 1st of their own and an extra 1st hopefully would allow them to move way up in round 1 to get a good QB prospect.

Problem is how to get him. For all the talk about the amount of “draft capital “ that the Bills have, their picks are all pretty late in each round. Let’s say that they trade a 1st and their own 2nd to move up a bit to grab Rudolph or Jackson. They would still own pick 22, but likely have to get a DT, possibly DE there. Their next pick would be late in Round 2, probably too late to get a guy like him. Their 3rd round pick will either be 31st or 32nd in round 3, so not very valuable if they want to move up in round 2.

Bledsoe was at the end of his career, but in his first season here, he was clearly the best QBthe Bills have had since Kelly. That year he threw for 4359 yards (272 per game) and 24 TDs on a not great Bills team.

I agree that they coach better and, most importantly, have the greatest QB ever and he his playing on a comparatively inexpensive contract. I don’t think that they necessarily draft better than other teams. Brady’s play and Belichick’s coaching account for most of their success. i forget who said it, but it was a high profile NFL coach or GM: He (Belichick) can take his and beat your’s and he can take your’s and beat his.

This is very relevant here. It seems that some think that it is written in stone that Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are sure-fire top 10 in the league QBs. Based on history there will probably be 1 QB who turns out to be great, 2, maybe 3 who turn out to be good starters whom their team is not trying to replace and the remainder likely fall between ok lowered 1/3 of the league starters and flat out busts. - And THAT would be a very good QB class compared to history.

They might even have to trade up a little to get Rudolph or Lamar Jackson. I have a feeling that there will be a big QB feeding frenzy.

I thought that O'Leary played well this year and I hope he gets a chance for a larger role going forward. He went to Florida State.

And with due respect, you do not have inside information. I am not trying to trash you or any poster.

Ourlads has been around for a long time and they do a nice job, in my opinion.

I think we will see more defense selected early compared with this mock.

I think that if the Vikings keep Bradford and Keenan, that will tell you that they don’t thinkBridgewater is healthy.

I also like Ourlads.com and DraftInsiders.com - they publish draft guides, but you pay a reasonable fee for the guides. I am going to try OptimumScouting's draft guide this year. It looks more thorough than others I have seen. It looks a little similar to GM Jr that former NFL scout Russ Lande used to publish.

Nice! Have missed your contributions to the board. I hope that you will be commenting a lot on draft prospects in the months leading up to the draft!

Respectfully, I can't envision a "decent" trade market for Taylor. I'm not a TT hater at all, but the reason that the Bills want to move on from the 28 year old QB that they already have is that they know he is, at best, a low-end starter. I'm going to be surprised if they can get even a 5th round pick for him.