OldTimer1960

Other than an uncharacteristic uptick of 14 in 2017 and 10.5 in 2018, isn’t a 6.5 sack guy about what Campbell is? He had 6.5 sacks last year for Jax. I’d be a bit worried that he is on the downside of his career and that 2017-18 were the exception rather than the rule for his production. That was a highly talented defense he played on. Not arguing, but rather asking?

Would you rather have a younger maybe still ascending Lawson with no trade required or 33 year old Campbell for more $ and have to trade a pick?

That would be interesting. Why such low cost for Campbell? Is it because of his age and salary?

That would be nice, if possible. Any trade for a starting DE is going to cost significant draft choices, thus diminishing what they can do in the draft.

The Bills will be in the market for pass rush help, especially if Shaq Lawson leaves in FA. I know that 40 time does not necessarily predict pass rush ability, but once you get past Chase Young and Chaisson there are not any speedy 4-3 DEs. Perhaps Yetur Gross-Matos will run fast (declined to workout at combine), but after that you are looking at guys who run 4.9/5ish 40 yard dashes. For comparison, Shaq Lawson ran 4.7 and one of this board's favorite whipping boys when he played here - Chris Kelsay ran 4.75 at the combine. Again, I completely understand that straight line speed for a DE isn't the end-all for pass rush ability. This doesn't mean that they can't find a competent pass rushing 4-3 DE early in the draft - maybe guys like AJ Epenesa or Bradle Anae can be more productive than their speed suggests, but I think the Bills should be looking to re-sign Shaq Lawson and supplement him with a draft choice rather than trying to replace him with a draft pick.

Perriman is a very good athlete with little production in 4 NFL seasons and has bounced to 3 teams in those 4 years. He had a little uptick in production late last season after the Buccaneers’ starting WRs were injured. I think it would be just a shot in the dark if you sign him and hope that he makes any significant impact.

Next year’s 1st and a 5th this year won’t be enough get you back into the end of round 1.

I watched two of his games and Reagor looks very good to me.

Jerry Butler was excellent- if he hadnt gotten hurt he would have had an even better career.

I would have a hard time giving up pick 54 just to move 4 spots from 22 to 18.

I like what I’ve seen of Ayiuk and Reagor. I’m neutral on Higgins and I wouldn’t take Shenault in round 1 - I don’t think he solves a WR problem (at least not this year).

Bills need another good WR that can get open. I don’t think he has to be especially tall - just good.

I hope that they can retain Lawson. I think he is a good starting De (not great, but good)

All for camp competition, but that being said, the Bills currently have 2 legit NFL WRs in Brown and Beasley and 1 full time special team player with 3 fringe NFL guys in Foster, Williams and McKenzie. They need a legitimate starting caliber WR to play with Brown and Beasley. Ideally, they bring in one very good WR to start with Brown and Beasley and one competent guy to challenge Williams, Foster and McKenzie - hopefully the 2nd new guy can displace one of those 3. i don’t think that Cam Phillips is either of the guys I described, but he is a try-hard guy to provide camp competition

No question, Bills do need a replacement for Lorenzo. Maybe last year's draftee is the answer, maybe not. I wonder if Bills can really afford to tie all that up in LB - Milano is going to get paid and they invested a #1+ to get Edmunds. Can they justify another #1/#2 pick on another LB? I'm not sure that I see Oliver being a good alternative outside at DE - sure on occasion to throw a curve to the offense, but I don't think he would scare most OTs out there on a regular basis. What you propose to pay Perriman is much more than I think he is worth - I could of course be wrong, but I don't see any production over his time in the league to justify that kind of contract. Is he worth gambling a smaller contract on based on his physical tools and encouraging finish to last season? Yeah, maybe, but I think bringing him here is more *hope* than expectation of getting much from him.

I think the idea of moving down from 22, perhaps even into the top 10 or so of the 2nd round is a potentially good strategy given that the Bills are in the WR market (and other markets as well). They likely won't have a shot at Ruggs, Juedy or Lamb at 22. There are many here who don't like Tee Higgins (I'm not sure why) and I don't see Shenault as a real WR at this point - watch a few of his games and many of his touches come on runs and on passes within +/- 5 yards of the line of scrimmage - that doesn't say NFL 1st round pick to me. There are purportedly a lot of WR candidates that will have 2nd round grades that they could hopefully nab one of early in round 2 then double back with their own 2nd on another position or double down on WR.

I've seen several posts mention Perriman, but I don't understand the interest. He is a high draft choice bust who had a few good games late last year. I think he is more likely fool's gold than someone who suddenly broke through to good play. Baun may be good, but how would he fit in Bills' D. If he is 245 at the combine, it seems unlikely that he could maintain that in the NFL give what he played at in college - and even if he does, that is very light for a NFL DE. If you are thinking LB, I think the team has much bigger needs.

Too risky even in round 2 for my blood. The Bills are close to being real contenders and they can’t afford a whiff early. He looks like a real top athlete, but that is D2 competition that he is running all over. How would he look against top level D1 schools? Would he even be a starter, let alone a star, in the SEC or Big 10? He may end up being good in the NFL, but with no tape against good D1 competition, I would take my chances in the top 2 rounds on players who you can see against top college competition.

I respect your knowledge and scouting - how can you tell if his tape is great against that level of competition? He clearly has NFL size and speed, so he SHOULD look great in D2. The only relevant competition he has faced was at the Senior Bowl. I’m not saying that he can’t be great - only that drafting him will be based almost entirely on size/athletic traits and that is risky.

I think this is a little too optimistic- what are there, 4 WR pro bowlers on each of the NFC and AFC squads? Unfortunately, Bills will have no shot at him.

The difficulty with scouting him is that most backups from Bama, Ohio State, LSU and other D1 schools would dominate D2 competition as well. Dugger dominating that level only says that he passed that low bar. That he reportedly showed well at the Senior Bowl is positive, but doesn’t automatically make him a first round candidate. On the downside, he will be 24 years old before the draft. Unless he tests totally through the roof, it would take big b*lls for a GM to take him even in round 2.

Some of these other teams have real star WRs who draw extra attention from defenses and that leaves space for role players to occasionally get open and make a play. The Bills have no offensive weapon that draws extra attention from defenses that would open up space for guys like Foster, Williams or McKenzie.

I don’t mind the idea of adding a RB - I think they need another because Singletary isn’t built to withstand 20 touches per game, but Howard seems to be fading (though young) and the Bears dumped him even though they have no decent RBs. Howard also doesn’t ring much as a receiver out of the backfield (I don’t think). Would Howard be any better than just playing TJ Yeldon?

They didn’t use anymore weapons because they didn’t have any. Foster, Williams and McKenzie are fringe roster guys that you hope to get along with- they are not guys that you design plays to get the ball to. Even with Beasley and Brown, the Bills’ current WR group is bottom 25% of the league.

It isn't that a 3rd round WR can't pan out, but you certainly have better odds of satisfactorily filling a need in earlier rounds. I am not opposed to a WR in the 1st or 2nd AND another in round 3, but I think they would be taking a big chance by not bringing in a viable FA and also waiting until round 3 to take a WR. If they do that, they are once again not giving Allen enough talent around him to determine if he can be the long-term answer at QB.