NoSaint

Definitely. While I might nit pick some of the “did it work out” commentary (I’d trade those manning years for lucks past and hopefully future career 110% even with hindsight).... this is the type of thing that can be far more than day to day squabbles. I want personnel debate in the front office and think those arguments can be good- but I also want an owner that stays out of that debate... and think that the “franchise qb” debate is different than any other move for obvious reasons

Even if you pay Gaines in the 8-10m range, I’d guess we likely have at worst average money locked up in the secondary, maybe less than average. That would be below average cb1 dollars, a rookie deal at cb2... Hyde is 18th on the safety list and poyers like 40th (so middle of the pack) i dont know where gaines ends up landing on the pay scale but we have some space before it becomes questionable to invest in the secondary

I think that the owner picking a guy over 40 to be the qb of the future and ignoring the input of the football guys would qualify as more than a squabble. Obviously a unique situation in GB with ownership but if garrapolo proves himself this could be akin to moving Aaron Rodgers to get an extra year or two of favre. It has potential to be a franchise defining move for the next decade, and could have really impacted B.B.s legacy (if he got his replacement qb and kept going his stock soars) The flip side is JG could flop, making this a nice deal. But that ownership drove it and not the football guys seems real controversial and risky and not just a minor every day difference of opinion

Given their takent up front, I hope we don’t see too much attention go his way. We have to win a lot of tough 1-1 matchups on the line. as to MD— he’s a talented guy and should show up. I don’t think he’s going to be breaking down route trees or our offensive audibles at a higher level than the coaches can with film though.

Honestly - not a ton of guys played under marrone Kyle, Hughes, coincidentally deonte Thompson, brown, wood, glenn and Henderson is everyone that has overlap?

My man. I’m trying to re-engage you in productive talk instead of you going off the rails on a Tyrod rant like you have in the past. my question wasn’t what if we are too low. It’s how low you think he accepts since you are absolutely positive he will take a drastic pay cut

You don’t think a team like Jax would be interested? Picking too low to draft one and without an answer for next year

And I wasn’t totally shocked last season. i would be surprised this season. How low do you think we can go before he walks? Maybe that’s a more productive way to frame this discussion

How many paycuts and benching do you think he takes before he says “I could be the lowest paid qb in the league plenty of places” and has his agent call Jacksonville?

Clearly he will do it EVERY offseason. Also in that list- how many people were arguing he had poor history with our brand new coach, for instance? You are doing that thing you like to do (especially with Tyrod) where you overstate things because you believe them not because they are factual.

Hes already essentially the lowest paid starter in the league not on a rookie deal - I’m not sure he’s jumping to take a 20% pay cut from there.

Why does he take less to stay? coach that benched him thinks race is a factor poor scheme fit not great receiver talent id venture he could find a better fit if we lowball him drastically

If he hit at qb, and/or had a competent coach... his “other 52” were among the best in the league some years.

Theres just not a huuuuge gap between the 10the and 20th team. You get a few bounces and some luck in tie breakers and you are in. We were probably more like 20 but got a lot of those bounces and snuck in with a weak conference. I think several of the rosters from years past would be favored against this year. thats what was so remarkable about being a middle of the road team most of the stretch and never getting in- statistically we should’ve gotten in on dumb luck a couple times. No shame in that- several teams a year do the same and they sometimes make a little noise. Mans people seem to really struggle with the difference between “more or less likely” and “bet your child’s life guarantee” we we can be a statistical long shot and still get in without ruining models. In fact, that happening sometimes helps support the model. If you project a 30% chance and it NEVER happens, that’s strange.

Additionally stats like percentage of throws occurring with a 2 score lead? How often were we leading by two scores?

Did you also hate walking by newsstands, with all their papers they force you to buy?

Feels like I’m nola this morning was 10. i know that’s not crazy but it’s chilly even by ny standards

At his price tag it seems easy to keep him around unless someone shakes free that’s decent value and somewhat reliable and we can snag them in free agency before Taylor’s bonus date. It’d be crazy to walk into the draft (or cut TT at any point) with just peterman. I guess what if? That it’s a wildcard win would mean a hell of a lot more to you than them. I’d be shocked if they are totally undecided and a single game sways them.

You cant weigh the one game drastically different than the rest. Just like a guy can’t shoot way up your draft board for a decent bowl game. you look at the body of work and make an unemotional decision

Definitely drops- and not unjustified. But how far? I normally feel like I have a decent grasp on how various issues effect draft stock but this ones a unique situation for sure

He’s one that I’m very curious to see transition to the Nfl. I have no concept of how only having one hand will effect his draft stock or viability

I missed you. A few questions- is it wildly different to you to give him say $10m per year vs earning fractions of a percent in ownership? Or are you thinking he gets a huge chunk? Also do you think he factually loves everyone or just says that for tv?

That I buy. I enjoyed the saints buying up billboard space in Miami during the super bowl against the colts to control the atmosphere around the common driving routes

Again, wouldn’t beer vendor be the worst possible plan here? Lots of attention from fans (both conspicuous and distracted) security or janitor or fan or pretty much anything makes this slightly more believable

Wouldnt it be less obvious just to give him a seat in a nearby section? or literally anything other than a beer vendor get up?