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Part of me would enjoy the gamesmanship of no limits on players but you have to stay under the cap and pay everyone at least league minimum. would you sign 6 specialists or 1 solid role player?

That certainly won’t be his tax situation after it gets revalued in the system from vacant lot in sketchy area to new house in up and coming area

Or something else related to reinstatement (missed test? Missed mandatory counseling? I don’t know his terms- not that it matters much in “you have a handful of things to do and didn’t do it”)

Ah yea, comps- I always forget to add those in! But yea, point generally remains, little given and some gotten. If you take out the “told you so” factor it’s a pretty reasonable move even knowing the outcome. if they had other better options, I’m not sure I saw them and we were as WR hungry as it gets.

And based on joshs flashes I’m optimistic but it’s early. That’s all we are debating here. He has done some good things. Some guys really step up, others fade back a bit after rookie seasons.

Another thing I’m curious about - which matters little but I get curious about these situations.... violating terms of his reinstatement and another positive test may be the same thing but may be a number of others. What terms did he have?

Go back to the offseason John, you were pretty darn optimistic on the group. We’ve done this before, we don’t have to do it again.

The point is we jump on any glimmer of shine as striking gold. Maybe it is, often it’s not. Come on John, you said we had a good group of wrs this year based on those glimmers. That hes done it is nice- but it’s still a long way to go. One would hope that our top 10 qb pick could physically throw short routes sometimes, it’s the week in and week out in meaningful games that he will have to prove. It’s not insulting to say he’s on track but still a ways to the finish line.

Thinking out loud I just edited that it’s trading a bottom 5th for top of 7th.... so 35-40ish draft slots on day 3? It’s possible they still get the exact guy they end up targeting AND got a starting WR for half a season on a contract for peanuts. Again, even in this worst case, was it really a loss for them? Erase all the upside and it’s not a terrible deal.

Awfully small sample size, eh? Encouraging but would you argue he’s a seasoned guy in that regard already or that it’s a point of growth that he’s shown flashes of?

I’d argue were we really better off rolling with benjamin? He’s gone too and cost a heck of a lot more. Or Coleman. Or kerley. to move down 35-45 spots on day 3, id still say was fine with hindsight and missing the potential upside

They used him while he was there and will move on when he’s not. That they will have to settle moving forward was better than settling all year. It’s no different to them than if he popped an ACL.

On some level we simply don’t have the skill to churn out 15 play drives for points and need to get chunk yardage to score. Part of that is the rest of the team but I suspect part of that is Josh not being the accurate touch and timing short game passer (yet?)

They could be splashy several times over and still underspend what they have available

They’ve been on a hell of a run since November 1. Monday night football, 2 Thursday games, beat the #2 seed, multiple heated rivals (Atlanta, Dallas, Carolina) and everyone’s treating them like the super bowl. Roll in some injuries to the line and wrs... I’d say a bye week and then a couple home playoff games with electricity in the air are a great place to get right. Also the defense has been ridiculous. I like drew to be able to score more than the 12 ppg they been giving up during this slump In 2009 they started 13-0, lost 3 and people freaked out

Its Christmas next week. It’s getting late in the year for if statements. Mr Claus made his list already and unless we find out one of the elves was his friend I think he’s getting coal this year. I do think he’s well positioned to shine next year.

Sainte have been giving up 12 points per game the last 6 weeks, are angling towards a bye and home field throughout. I like their odds of getting a few players healthy and win it.

So presnap trickery is where you draw the line? Other deception or misdirections all good? or you just hate them?

Do you not believe in trick plays? Or is being good at them somehow frowned upon?

Yup. theres always that initial thrill when the new guy does what the old guy couldn’t. From a statue to a mobile qb, or in this case a guy willing to push the ball after a very conservative qb. the guy up thread posting that it’s just exciting to see the ball in the air is emblematic of that. It was a win. He did some good stuff. He had limited help. But it was against a bad team too. And was still below average yards, completions, points, etc... hopefully we stack talent around him and he takes 3 big steps forward. He could easily go either direction but that’s truly a compliment to any rookie. Many bust fast. He’s still showing reasons to believe. The longer that goes on the better!

Bledsoe was traded to us. Pick up a first for a guy you think so low of that you actively sought to replace him a few years after a ring? Ravens might see it as a double benefit.

I thought Washington but they are really stuck with Smith 2 more years. They are in purgatory for a minute it seems.

I think saints like bridgewater in that scenario miami, was my curveball. If going off script maybe Big Ben retires?

Nope- you are counting his signing bonus on that. Actually is 18 and 20. which isn’t crazy

Right, but it seems that the conversation is more “franchise wr” than “1st read” i think most most of us can agree a randy moss and an Edelman are very different types and would have very different values in the league in their prime. Where do you draw the line between those? Full route trees, size, speed, hands, beat elite talent or doubles, can make plays without hof qb and great support, etc... Aj green is great in 32 cities. Larry fitz was fantastic on bad teams. Edelman I think struggles in many cities.