NoSaint

no one gets a comp pick as they all cut him.

If starting a franchise in the teams era, I’d certainly not be upset getting any of the names in that range... but for the coin flip, I think owning the record books and having a ring while still not being should weigh heavy in the tie break That said, it seems obvious they didn’t want to weight any era tooo heavily and I’d struggle taking Brady or manning off. So I guess the discussion is favre vs Brees?

if you roll over the money, makes little difference anyway

yea, unless mahomes falls off a cliff and/or Allen makes a jump- kc won. But both those things are very possible with young QBs

go ahead and turn in your fan card.

you don’t know the b roll ??

cant judge josh cause he’s raw, and had a bad cast can’t judge beane because of the cap situation cant judge McD because he had josh and a talent strapped roster was a major feedback loop across a large portion up until about 2 months ago when it became uncool to have questions about any with the winning record back

I can hardly imagine this thread if it was the pats, and it’s not like Baltimore has been choir boys with behavior either

I have always thought the offensive questions are fair but the answers around here go in circles a bit. Can’t judge josh, beane or McDermott over the offense for some reason. ultimately, if Josh is Russ Wilson in Newton’s body all 3 are in the hall of fame. But the discussions are a bit grating in that we can’t question anyone because he’s too raw but can’t judge them for the position they put that raw rookie in.

the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent.

this could be a radical take but what if they thought he was closer to ready than a lot of this board gave credit and we don’t have to evaluate him with kid gloves

they Had seen peterman play and your cool with the take that because they weren’t winning the super bowl, whatever, he’s got the job for the season?

one might argue if a guy is THAT raw there are questions about him going that high. you can quote any interview you want. they went into the season with peterman and Allen. Either they were criminally negligent or they didn’t expect him to sit the whole season from pretty early in the process.

If Allen was expected to sit out the entire season you must’ve been mighty upset about us not creating a better qb situation around him Either beane was negligent, or he didn’t agree with you on the plan that he would be sitting.

mahomes is, fairly, an exception. But the point that you don’t draft a guy top 10 expecting him to sit in the modern Nfl is one I stand by. And as much as everyone said that was Allen, he did not sit. Frankly going into the season with he, peterman and McCarron- And dealing AJ... I don’t think they tried all that hard to avoid it. It’s just not reality to get one that high and not see him play. There’s a little noise around the data, as with anything, but I’m comfortable saying it’s materially true.

see this here is over thinking it.

How much money are you under the impression he takes up? whether this move or another- you look for the splash now and when Donald or whoever comes off the books, Allen’s getting paid

a top 10 pick is 100% expected to start. Essentially none in the last 20 years has sat the season.

probably seems to get away with it more because you were far more likely to have a major reaction when he got flagged here while a flag there is met with a quiet muttering of “oh called for once”

yup- but DPOY is an of the year category, so some people like awards like that or MVP to be very much based on this year. Others like the larger resume. I tend to pull the best of the year and use the resume for any near tie breaks.

Like it or not, guys build a reputation. Gilmore is much further along in cementing his status at the top. People have heard his name, seen his highlights for much longer and just kind of expect him to be associated with the top CB status. Tre is building that. yup. seeing a guy on the pro bowl list year in and year out, covering his massive contract signing, interviewing him at super bowl media day etc... definitely effects how you subconsciously position a guy for stuff like this.

and yet you couldn’t pick out who

longevity is a piece of it. and team success. market obviously matters too but top paid free agent on a super bowl contender that’s made huge plays on the biggest stages gets more looks by default.

meh. I get it but you know guys 4 and 5 on the list may be frustrated - especially if a little dinged up. Or 6 and 7 if you do 5 and so on. I don’t agree, but it’s also not insane. Just need to know your team to make the call.

I think part is guys wanting to get back when you are winning vs shelving dudes when you are out of it. Paired with a little luck.