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Is someone upset? And if so did they not explain why.......leaving you unsure? Is it really necessary to gaslight and straw man every topic or do some simple equations like this not really need ceremonial fan-shaming?

I can't think of any 1st who has washed out that quick and then PS'd their way back to a good career with their next team. But Rasul Douglas was a late 3rd rounder in 2017 and failed with Philly and Carolina before kicking around 4 practice squads in 2021 and breaking out late in that season with Green Bay. He might be the patron saint for this kind of thing.

QB's are still primarily judged by team success and you don't really get on the list of great one's until you've either won 1 or been to multiple.

....good to hear, we worry about you.

I know you probably presume Andreessen is player #53 because you were certain he wouldn't make the roster. You probably thought Florida State would beat Georgia Tech too.

I suspect he'd get a bit more rope if he went somewhere else

If they expose Leonard Taylor he will get claimed. 5 star who dogged it in college thinking he'd just get picked in round 1 on talent alone. Went undrafted. His game fits the pro's. Passed up $600K NIL deal to enter the draft. He didn't try to put it together at Miami. He was just playing not to get injured last season. Mailed it in. Gotta' keep a carrot in front of him.

Will they now release BOTH of Hilarius Toney and Skyy Moore?

Yeah it was known that he wasn't a good scheme fit but they thought they could fix that overnight. They drafted him expecting a day one starter. And they are trusting that same judgement with Keon Coleman now. But I digress........bottom line is with Benford's injury history and Rasul Douglas aging Elam could easily be starting pretty early in the season and totally change his narrative as a bust. Ingram is more instinctive but the room gets a lot less athletic without Elam and less likely to be able to matchup in man.

Bernard and Rousseau could be on it next year if they stay healthy. Contract time players tend to get noticed because agents tend to impact these lists. Also, Bernard's numbers last year were pretty crazy for a MLB, top 100 worthy for sure, just needs to do it again before he gets recognized.

Chiefs put up 9 yards per play on offense. The Bills played terribly on defense that day.

I think a thread title is supposed to ask if anyone else is losing interest in something.

No need to re-visit because you never had a point in the first place. I'm surprised @GunnerBill even dignified your narrative the way I often do. You have proven to be a bit of a slow learner but I still have faith that the light will come on for you at some point. You will join us on the realistic side of the force one day.

Ok then you are being ignorant. Is that better? Not separating wasn't what people "think". It wasn't just an opinion........it was charted in-season. Way before he ran the slow 40 at the combine. You are conflating what people "think" with his what his performance told us. People "thought" he caught a high % of contested passes. Again, the numbers said otherwise.

The draft process on WR's here on TSW was long and very involved. The data and tape on Coleman was pretty definitive.........he did not separate well in college. We knew this in November/December. He didn't enter the offseason draft process with the same trajectory he had in September/October. The narrative that he was great at contested catches was debunked slightly later in the process than the separation question. Perhaps that's what you are confused about.

Yep. I remember your thoughts. Coleman was not a first round prospect by how the NFL grades them or even just being one of the top 32 players in the draft. His upside could be special for a number of reasons, but he was raw. I've compared him to Davante Adams. Adams was more polished than Coleman but still was rightfully ranked about the same (8th-10th) compared to his peers in the 2014 class. He hit his ceiling. But it took time. It's not likely at all that Coleman will ever reach what I perceive as his "potential" but I don't think Bills fans could handle Coleman coming out of the box with 2 sub 500 yard seasons like Adams did.

This is basically what all you said boils down to. Kincaid is likely to be as good as Kelce..........but that everything else I said is true. I am a big Kincaid fan but there have been TONS of TE's who have had better seasons than 673 and 2 and not gone to become Kelce. Sorry. Let's see him have anything resembling a pro bowl season before we jet past All Pro and first ballot HOF. As for your attempt at a cherry picked regression model.........yeah Kelce averaged 61 over his last 7 in 2022. But he averaged 84 over his first 7 in 23'. And he didn't average "60.8" or less in 23'. Learn how to use data. If you want to say a number proves decline then the SUCCEEDING numbers need to reflect that. Travis Kelce had a different year in 2023. He had a higher catch % than any of the previous 8 seasons which indicated the need to be more of a possession receiver due to the lack of productive depth at WR. And nagging injuries resulted in playing almost 150 less snaps than he had in the prior 2 seasons. That and resting the finale hurt his bulk numbers significantly. Still a GREAT year with unreal performances that would be hard for any TE to top. Like finishing his year catching an incredible 20 of 21 targets in the AFCCG and SB for over 200 yards. But Kincaid is "likely" to be as good you say. No, he's not "likely" to be that good. We can hope but his over/under for receiving yards is in the 700's because that is what the actuaries see as "likely".

I could definitely see Kincaid putting up 2014 Kelce numbers..........but it's just not relevant to the discussion about this years Kincaid being expected to rival the impact of the 1338 yard 12 TD All-Pro level 2022 version of Kelce. Even if he improves to year 2 Kelce level having nearly 500 yards and 7 TD's less is a ton. And to my point about it being irrelevant........the 2014 Chiefs passing game was so bad that they are the only NFL team in the last 60 years to not throw a single TD pass to a WR all season. Finished 29th in the league in passing yards with just 3100 total.

That's how I feel watching the team stretch. A coach blows a whistle, most of the guys get in one position pretending they are stretching. Then don't really move for a minute or two(especially the lineman). Then they blow the whistle and everyone gets up. All stretched! We've all seen Bills teams that had a lot more soft tissue injuries than McD's teams. Remember Wade's teams that were ALWAYS nursing muscle injuries? Rex teams had it bad too. Sloppy coaches usually equate to more of them, IMO. But what's the point of taking time out to stretch and then not really doing it? Maybe they need to stretch their toes better.

Yes, all of them. Were you not aware that the Bills had already been to the AFC championship game in the 88' season? Or that they entered 89' as an AFC SB favorite? They didn't come from nowhere in 1990.

TURF toe. You are thinking of camel toe. They aren't doing any clam slammin' out there, if you go to the practices you see these guys barely even stretch it's amazing they don't have more soft tissue injuries.

Just Abuncha' Guys tracks

The parameters used to draw comparisons between the passing game weapons the Bills currently possess and those that the Chiefs took into 2023 are SOOOOOOO stretched that basically almost every team can make a similar claim. And the Chiefs then finished 3rd in pass attempts and 6th in yardage.......outstanding pass game production......so MOST such comps would be utter bullish!t. I mean in 2022 MVS literally had more receiving yards than any of Kincaid, Shakir or Samuel did last season. And Kincaid coming off 672 yards and 2 TD's is supposed to be a full comp for Kelce coming off 1338 and 12. Yeah, if you overlook that the Chiefs returning players were a lot more productive and that they had three 1st and 2nd round prospects from the 2 most recent drafts fighting it out for spots it's JUST like the Chiefs last year.

So you've gone from KC had "nothing" at WR to "average" and still think I missed your point? Being a WR1 producer is obviously not AVERAGE. They got WR1 production from Juju and Rice each of the last two years. With Mahomes they have ALWAYS had 2 pass catchers that would have been the top pass catcher on a number of other teams. The Bills have not. Even with Diggs in 2021, 2022 and 2023. You are trying to cherry pick from apple and orange trees. It's not working.