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Structure-wise........that could be A LOT of different things. 5 years for a veteran LB is an intentionally long deal to spread out the hit. My guess is that it's more like a 2 year $15M deal.

If not that.........it's how bad teams get better initially.......but then soon find themselves in a jackpot wrt the salary cap. It's not quite the % over-pay that Beane gave to Lotulelei in 2018.........his $10M aav was 2.5x his estimated market...........but it's still about $6M over worth IMO.......a good 50% over what Kirk should be paid........and those kind of over-pays could add up and lead to them being up against the cap before the end of Trevor's deal. The Jags did this with their last re-build too...........over-spent to get competitive and devastated their salary cap in the process..........we just tend to forget because the QB Blake Bortles total-failed and they had to do a full re-set.

That's just me having fun..........the site is about entertainment. I take very little in life seriously, but because I tell it like it is.....and bluntly.......I am going to be INEVITABLY portrayed as a bad guy on a fan site........so I don't mind playing the heel and being boastful etc.. when need be. I prefer to talk objectively and in detail about the team........but when there isn't that there is still entertainment in the site.

No, it's "taking it internet". I learned decades ago that when I express an unpopular take.............like "John Butler is making some terrible salary cap decisions that are going to result in a roster tear down".............I will receive hate and vitriol for telling an unpopular truth. I could take it serious and get mad about it...........or accept that people act very irrationally and hyper-emotionally on the internet and turn that negativity around on them or make light of it........sometimes I even have to take a personal shot at someone to get them to put their sh*t in perspective or not be so serious about themselves. You are a different matter than most..............you got mad at me because I made a general statement that smoking was a bad health choice.........which is accepted as fact. It wasn't directed at you but you made it about you because you choose to smoke and don't think it's a bad choice. I don't know what to tell ya' bout that but that's entirely a you issue..........being mad at me about that makes no sense. Stop grudging. You can do dumb things but not be the village idiot. See Brandon Beane signing Star Lotulelei.

I really don't take it personal...........some people figure out that I'm just reflecting their negativity back at them..........others don't see their hypocrisy. It's the internet, self awareness is in very short supply.

Yeah I don't take it personal when people who have grudges against me jump in to take a cheap shot. That's just funny. A lot of people hate Happless too.........they are just afraid to tell her so because she's a mod........which adds perceived weight to jumping into a thread and taking a vague cheap shot at me for an innocuous and measured take. I'm not afraid..........I call it like it is. WAY too much exercise by people in this thread for a point I was absolutely correct about.

Yeah I just assumed that you irrationally taking great offense to me saying that it was an over pay IF the numbers were correct that you were OK with $4M...........because we'd already established that it was an IF scenario.............otherwise, why single me out for criticism with so many others commenting on the quality of a deal with those parameters? The answer is because you just wanted to take a cheap shot at me. Perhaps clarify your actual criticism next time if you don't want to be called out for it.

And btw........yes, there will be dead money and the cap hit is around $2M. So how was this wrong again? Just take the L.

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Note how you criticize me for commenting on the reported numbers..........after about 4 pages of people already commenting on reported numbers. Ahem. Then you say I am ranting and emotional because I said "if" the numbers were correct.........that I thought $4M was about $1.25M more than Beane would give him. There was nothing emotional or unmeasured about my take. Again.......where is all the criticism of everyone else commenting on the deal? And I wasn't the only one who said it would have been an overpay.........why weren't you snarking at @MrEpsYtown or @Buffalo716? There was no reason for you to jump into the thread to cheap shot at me..........but you did..........because you are a hater. Pure emotional over-reaction on your part.

Take the L with some dignity, Hap. Admit it........you thought $4M/yr was a good deal.........that's why you were mad. I clearly stated that "if" the numbers were correct............we didn't notice you shouting down people who were saying it was a great deal at only $4M per year now, did we?

Yeah they need receiving depth and he has some upside in the slot yet...........but being a gadget guy who is a net negative on special teams is like paying half a player for one position.........so his pay wasn't in line with his value if he got $4M, IMO. If he was a good kick returner he would have gotten that $4M. He kinda' blamed McD for benching him but his numbers weren't good even without the fumbles. As much as they pay for ST'ers they should be getting good numbers on kick and punt returns.

It's really not. He had 178 yards receiving last year. Before he lost his ST duties..........his punt return average was very low and his kick return average was middling.........all while retaining his untrustworthy handle on the ball. If the Bills signed somebody from another team with that kind of track record for $8M over 2 years the board would be.........perplexed. 😉

They know I was right.........they're just tryna' troll me.......imagine people still trying that like it's gonna' work.

Oh I am aware of that......you took what I said way out of context because you read upthread where people like Happless were defending paying McKenzie $4M/yr........here is what I said: "I had him returning to Buffalo at $2.75M....(basically a $2M hit on the Bills cap).....if he really got $4M that's another $1M type over-pay." Note the "if he really got $4M part....." This contract is much more in line with what he is worth based on achievement. Despite all of the talk about him leaving there wasn't a better fit for him anywhere.

If you don't think handing a 2 year $8M deal to an undersized 6th year receiver who can't handle kick return duties and is coming off 15 active games with only 178 yards receiving on the season is an over pay...............then you aren't very good at math........so maybe having a clock you have to set manually isn't right for you.

Oh I'd guess that the McKenzie cap hit is only $2M or so in 2022 but that there will be dead money if cut after the season...........and they are already going to be borrowing money against the 2023 cap........and I expect that they will likely want to move on from Dirty after this season. At least I'd hope they'd find a couple WR in this draft that they think are keepers. As for Engram...........$9M is just absurd if that rumor is true. I understand that GM's get obsessed with players they wanted to draft and maybe that's the deal with Beane and Engram but he hasn't earned that kind of contract.

$4M for a 178 yard receiver McKenzie and $9M for a 400 yard receiver Engram.............yeah Buffalo would be getting bargains because of Josh Allen.

No doubt.........he is a fumble factory on special teams but even when he catches it and holds on he is a lousy punt returner and JAG as a KOR guy.........those days are over. He will be a slot and gadget guy.

I had him returning to Buffalo at $2.75M....(basically a $2M hit on the Bills cap).....if he really got $4M that's another $1M type over-pay. The investment is large enough that he's gotta' be considered the starting slot receiver...........but also small enough that you can see them paying a high end veteran TE to pair with Knox and using more 12 personnel.

UDFA College

First.......when Ralph thought he had a SB team he was a BIG spender........his Bills paid top dollar for Kelly, Reed, Bruce and Thurman. He was cheap when he thought he couldn't win......which was more often than not due to his poor stewardship. He wanted to win on the field but was more than happy to win on the ledger by pocketing big money with his low overhead arrangement in Buffalo while many of the newer owners who were working hard to advance the future of the game were servicing franchise purchase and stadium debt. As for now.......we keep hearing about how the Bills are now a "free agent destination" and that free agents will take less to play in Buffalo with Josh Allen. But until we actually SEE that.........it's just talk. And even if that actually becomes a thing...........they still need to be able to find their share of ascending talents and cheap scheme fits in UFA..........which has been a huge weakness of Beane and his pro personnel director Malik Boyd.

It wouldn't be surprising if they signed Saffold.......veteran LG, used to be very good, wouldn't count in comp pick equation........but he's on the precipice of washed. Paying him $5M-$6M to save $8M releasing Daryl Williams would not be good cap work.

Beane very clearly stated that priority 1 this offseason was doing a better job protecting Josh Allen............and being that the free agent OL market isn't good........one way to do that is to play more 12 personnel and add a TE who can block. Now Beane spoke about the team needs after the AFCCG loss in KC last year............and promptly didn't address any of those needs in UFA..........so I guess he could do the same this offseason. But if we are taking him at his word..........his word was that protecting Allen was priority #1. Changing slot receivers out doesn't really address that.

Patrick Mahomes says he has no problem getting Tremaine out of the frame..........Logan Wilson........that was much more difficult. Height and length only make a significant difference if the coverage defender is able to identify what the QB is trying to do and be in position to stop it. And a total lack of ball awareness/playmaking skill....... like Edmunds has shown.........leads to teams not being afraid to attack him even when he seems to have good coverage..........hence his 110 passer rating against and volume of TD passes allowed the past two seasons. Brandon Smith is often cited as having the same issue as Edmunds........a lack of instinctive play...........but on tape he does appear to be more of a play maker. He might be getting a bad rap because of the similarity to Tremaine.........who has clearly been the disappointment sandwiched between some really good LB's in his draft class........Roquan Smith, Darius Leonard and Fred Warner.