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This is what I also want to believe and I think it's probably the case. Having said that I do acknowledge the possibility that some NFL coaches and assistants are old school if not downright reactionary and could feel threatened by a guy with Rosen's personality. JMO but while a player's character is an important box to check when making a decision, I doubt that too much emphasis should be placed on a player's personality as such. Stereotypes are generalizations and therefore are to be taken with a grain of salt when evaluating an individual, but they can be valid for what they are - generalizations. I mean would anyone be shocked and surprised to discover that a WR was a "diva" and a "flake"? Or that a QB was a conceited, arrogant prick? Many of the best players in both position groups are exactly that. An organization that can deal with that is a lot further ahead than one that cannot. I wanted Rosen but unlike many of his detractors I always saw Allen as a legitimate first round talent with a very high ceiling. Too me there is a lot to like there. So I can't be too upset with Beane taking a bona fide first round QB prospect in the first round. The one thing I know for sure is that going forward Allen, Rosen and Beane are now all joined at the hip. Beane has made his decision but a close eye will be kept on how these players perform in judging Beane.

There are some wrong notions regarding Allen IMO, eg "he can't throw with touch" -sorry but that is nonsense. I know that for sure because I've seen him make throws with excellent touch. He just needs to do it more often. "He's inaccurate" - except I've seen him make throws with pinpoint accuracy and excellent ball placement. He just needs to do it more often. "He has poor throwing mechanics" - give him a clean pocket and a little time to set up and his mechanics, including lower body mechanics, are fundamentally sound. He just needs to do it more often, especially when on the run. His problems are very fixable IMO. That what good coaches are for. The risk for me has a lot less to do with his fundamentals which can and I expect will improve. The risk for me has everything to do with what's above the shoulders, not with what is below the waist. There are two aspects to the mental component. One has to do with absorbing the playbook and looking good in front of the whiteboard. I'm pretty sure he can do that. He may be a farmboy but don't be fooled he is also a very intelligent person. The other part has to do with that unique gift that great QBs have to be at home in the pocket, feel pressure, and above all see the field well and quickly enuf to make lightning fast, "football smart" decisions. It probably has more to do with physiology and brain chemistry than intellectual capacity. That's what Allen needs to have in order to give full expression to his remarkable physical gifts. That's something you either have or you don't.

No not a nightmare scenario, not at all. Unlike EJ, who in most years would be a 3-4 round prospect at best, Allen is legit as a 1st round prospect. It should have been obvious (and it was to some) that EJ just couldn't do it. Allen's tape has given plenty of evidence that he can. He just has to do it more often. And that should be a question of discipline and repetition, which is what coaches are for. He has all the tools. Just needs to learn how to better use them. And that's why so many pro talent evaluators like him (not because they are stupid). I'm a Rosen guy but if you go with Beane's approach and philosophy (the same approach that yielded Edmunds) you cannot really complain about his taking Allen. Time to get behind this young man. If he pans out he will be really really good.

Clearly projects as a very good run defender at the next level. As a pass rusher he can dial up the area code but does not finish the way you would like. For now and unless he develops this aspect of his game he is a two down rotational DT who may not see the field much on passing downs. He should be a better run defender than Kyle but won't be as good getting after the passer in all likelihood. If he could do that he'd be gone first half of the first. He has great intangibles and a high motor. He's absolutely a quality player, the kind that can be expected to play a long time in the league. An excellent pick at 96. Hitting on players like this in the mid-later rounds speaks well of what the Bills braintrust and their assistants are doing. Getting him where they did also involves a little luck to be sure but clearly there is more than luck involved. Getting their guy and saving 22 which they then turn into Edmunds is a master stroke by Beane IMO. Edmunds is a top 5-10 talent with stratospheric upside. Never thought we would land him.

Re the Jets - Darnold at #3 or Rosen at #6 + 3 second round picks?

I understand that Rosen's durability is an issue but Mayfield has had a couple of concussions and Allen broke his collarbone in seven places, hurt his shoulder last year missing time etc...Rosen looks a little goofy perhaps but he's a big boy too. I don't think there is much to justify the inference that Rosen is necessarily made of glass and Allen is made to last forever. The truth could wind up being very different. I think it's at least possible that Allen over Rosen was a "blue-collar cultural fit" based decision. If that's true it was a mistake IMO and it also does not give the fanbase sufficient credit. And I hope that McCoach and the rest of the brass were not intimidated by an opinionated young man. Aaron Rodgers was exactly like that and he made them pay. I prefer to think that their philosophy is that the draft is all about projection so they assign a lot of importance to physical talent, athleticism and measurables. I'm not sure that thinking necessarily applies with the same force to all position groups, especially QB, but hey, no question he looks like Tarzan. If it turns out that these guys are unable to evaluate QBs any better than the last crew they will travel the same well worn path out of town and they will have earned it. If they got it right they will be credited as geniuses. It's a bottom line performance based business.

I'm willing to give Beane the benefit of the doubt that someday Allen will be the QB that Rosen already is, however unlikely that may be.

Good call Bills moving up for Allen.

Unlike many I like Allen as a prospect and always regarded him as a legitimate first round QB. But he's not a guy I would trade up for and I'm having a hard time with Beane passing on Rosen. I mean we now have to hope that Allen will be able to do the things that Rosen already excels at doing. So why not go for the finished product who has already proven that he can do what you can only hope Allen can accomplish? It's taking on a lot of risk for relatively little additional upside. I mean the extra arm strength and mobility is definitely a nice to have but these guys are both pocket passers and Rosen is by far the best one in this class.

Beane could not have done better. With his second pick.

Rosen/Edmunds would have been a first round made in heaven. Troy Aikman said Rosen is the most polished passer he has ever seen and was worthy of #1 overall. He also said that in all his years playing and watching the game he has never seen a QB with Allen's issues succeed. I don't hate Allen but I have a hard time understanding why they would pass on Rosen. Seeing him sitting there looked like a repeat of Aaron Rodgers on draft day. Kudos to the Cards. They ain't so stupid.

Well I got the Josh part right.

I find this strange. I can easily understand Jackson not being their guy but it sounds as though they didn't really even scout him during Louisville's 2017 campaign and evidently have not followed up at all this draft season either. For a QB needy team to show no interest whatsoever in a Heisman trophy winning QB who has a first round grade just seems odd to me. Must be they are totally disinterested in QBs in the Vick mould or agree with Polian & Co that he is a WR. Or just maybe......we're in the twilight zone...

Dont know obviously but this does make sense to me.

Don't quite agree with the Ben comparisons (except for size/weight). If he reaches his potential he looks more like Elway to me. And if he is on the board at #5 I think Elway will draft him. Denver has a good 2 year bridge QB and I don't think Paxton Lynch is the guy.

I think if Darnold played in the Mountain West on that Wyoming team working that offensive scheme behind that O-line with those receivers and running game he'd look very similar to Josh Allen.

I don't worry about Allen at 5 because I think Elway would draft and develop him.

Jackson he's my #2 after Rosen.

To me he's got "franchise guy" tattooed on his forehead. It saddens me to say but I have a hard time seeing Gettleman passing on him (assuming he is there at #2) in favour of Barkely or Chubb (or any other QB). Sure hope I'm wrong about that.

If there is any truth to the rumour that the Bills offered 12, 22 and next year's first, then, good as Barkely is, I can't see the Giants passing that deal up to draft a running back, especially in a draft that is already deep at the position. You only do that if you are looking to draft Eli's successor. Of course maybe Beane never actually made that offer.

Interesting feedback from Jets message board given all the Baker to the Jets hype. Although Mayfield has his vociferous supporters as far as the posts are concerned, in a poll I think it was 73% of fans preferred Rosen. That might align with responses on this and other team boards. It's only the fans opinion tho.

Maybe not 1983 but it looks like a good and a very deep QB class. There are at least a couple of second tier guys who could make it, at least as solid backups - White, Lauletta, Ferguson- and maybe even develop into starters. Top 5 all going round 1.

Plenty of good tape, but it may be misleading. In assessing risk people are forgetting that there is a significant possibility that he is a scheme baby whose skills will not translate to the NFL as a long term starter. It's easy to see the risks associated with Allen. It's easy to overlook the risks with Mayfield. All of these guys are risky picks, but for different reasons.

Bills are not targeting Mayfield IMO. I think they might even take Allen ahead of "the most accurate passer in this year's class" if given the chance.

Not excuses. Reasons.