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The lack of offense holding calls is one factor that has impacted Hughes lack of sacks and other splashy-type numbers, for sure. Hughes as a pro bowl alternate? Sure. Hughes as an all-pro? No. All-pro would be what we saw from Bosa today and much of the season.

Appreciate the thoughts. There are two camps primarily on such wins. Those that revel in a victory and rightfully so, and those who are somewhat pessimistic in a win because the expectation after 20+ years is to be a consistent and perennial playoff team for awhile. Neither line of thinking is bad; however, I fall in the second camp as this is what I believe is Buffalo's next step toward competing for a championship in the near future. Appreciate the thoughts.

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win. But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency. Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability of not finishing off opponents. A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment. Add in the generally overly conservative second half playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish. We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year. Let's Go, Buffalo!

Joe Burrow's injury is a reminder of two things to express gratitude for with this Bills team and season. #1. Thankful that Josh Allen is huge and is getting better each game when he chooses to run or throw the ball away. #2. The investment in the OL. Pass protection is a strength and linemen depth is a strength. Thank you, Beane, McDermott, and Oline pass game. Yes, our defense needs youth, more playmakers, depth, and success, but after seeing Burrow's injury, I appreciate the investment and continual investment in protecting Allen.

I would trade Allen for Mahomes. I know that may not be a popular take, but Mahomes has a title, an MVP, and he is under a long-term contract throughout his prime with a lot of talent around him. No knock on Allen at all. Top 5 player this year if the season ended today and signs all point upward. Is Allen getting closer to such recognition and Mahomes' situation? Absolutely! Love the person and player. However, if a trade were offered today, all quality GM's, including Beane, would be foolish to not see if they can bring Mahomes in and 99% would make the trade if the cap space would work.

Jacksonville and Carolina. I know they were 90s expansion teams, but the lack of a rich history is a factor. Despite Washington being a dumpster fire (as a team, business, and political climate), the team is historical. I can't say Detroit because of the Thanksgiving games, the longevity as a franchise and Barry Sanders. I have also wished that the Oilers name could be brought back rather than names like the Texans and Titans. I always liked Warren Moon, the powder blue jerseys, and the Bills greatest playoff comeback in history against their franchise.

Cardinals 41-Bills 34. The road trip, COVID players out, and a 10th straight game I believe hurts an already thin defense. Offense will do well, but Hopkins, Kirk, Fitzgerald, and Murray's dangerous feet and arm are too much for our secondary and linebackers. Bills lose in a shootout, but go into the BYE week with division lead, a continually promising offense, and some rest for COVID guys and injuries.

I like Milano. He was considered a tweener and really was a lotto ticket that provided a surprising return. Now to negotiations. Is he a starter? Yes Does he look a lot better than he is because the Bills are a very weak overall linebacker group? Yes. Is he slightly above an average starting NFL linebacker? Probably slightly. Cut one of the underperforming defensive lineman and give that to Milano. About 6 million a year for 4 years. No more or less in years or AAV.

As the OP of this thread, I have enjoyed the various viewpoints. Ironically, ESPN, whether loved or hated, made reference to this win as a Signature win. This was probably the most complete game by Buffalo this year and in recent memory in all 3 phases of the game. On to the next challenge and continued momentum to be a tough out in the playoffs.

Studs Josh Allen (He wills the team) OL run blocking (especially Williams) Moss Zimmer's game saving play Duds Run Defense Coaches who can't teach tackling Secondary was below average today given the players on offense for NE

No doubt.

I can agree with you that some of it is coaching. Almost all of it is a non existent defense that can't rush, misses tackles, no 2nd/slot corner, and Tre White is disinterested.

Agree...tackles are not the problem. Feliciano will make a difference for continuity and consistency when he returns soon. A stronger running game is needed going forward, no doubt. With that said, coaching the "D" up or finding a way to stop the opponent's run game is the need.

The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking... What do board members believe constitutes a signature win? Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week? I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. Will a Bills win against NE be signature level? Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.) What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year? Let's discuss.

I moved to California and was not a football fan yet. It was 1988. Everyone in northern Cali was a 49ers or Raiders fan. I did not want to jump on the Montana/Rice or Bo Jackson train, so I picked the team that was from my birth state and had patriotic colors. I learned about the K-Gun offense, Thurman's versatility, the D, and it felt great to root for a young and exciting team I knew little about. Been hooked ever since! I live in Colorado now and look forward (weather/COVID policy willing) to watch the Bills play Denver on 12/20.

No real loss here. Covid is the only thing this TE group could "catch." The one person excited about this is Jason Croom who may get lucky twice this weekend (Pegula's daughter on a rebound and a slim chance of being the #3 TE on game day).

Sit White and Poyer down for two unnecessary roughness penalties. Costing Bills a chance to get back in game, undisciplined football, and poor coaching. Need a NT and a new D-Coordinator.

Our run defense is atrocious. Man, we miss star. Still not sure why our coaches have not addressed this. If we can't get pressure on the QB, okay. But, we also can't allow 5-10 yards per carry with a banged up and shallow-depth linebacking group.

Brain Score: Chiefs 41 Bills 24 Heart Score: Bills 31 Chiefs 27

Barkley because he knows the team's offense. Bortles because his wife/girlfriend shares the same nickname as John Brown, "Smoke."

Several glaring factors from this game. 1. Team was not prepared to play. 2. The defense has regressed as a whole. Yes.. White, Milano, and Star are big reasons, but the defense is a season-long concern. 3. Bills are a good team, but not great. The cupcake games against Jets and Miami made us look top 5. We are closer to the 8th-12th best team. A reality-check. 4. No running game. 5. Josh Allen led some impressive drives, but he really hurt the team tonight.

It was easier to keep a team together back in the early 90s. Free agency is the biggest difference from the 90s. Agree with other posters on DE, RB, LB, and just overall depth. Yes...these Bills are good, but it would take a hall of fame level DE, a solid right side of the OL, another solid linebacker, and a MVP-level running back before we can compare the two teams. A top level DE and Singletary averaging 1200+ yards is the next step/level. Let's keep building and win a playoff game first!

Cooper, Gallup, and Lamb by a thin margin. Bill's have a solid offense...just need a 1 technique on defense and Milano to stop getting hurt.

It is always interesting when someone makes a rationale take and observation about the pattern of the Bill's struggling closing out games and playing too conservative. Getting better in this area is what puts us into the upper-tier. Great teams are closers. We are a solid team. Happy like all to be 4-0. The goal this year is to win the division, win a playoff game, and be competitive against the best in the league to become title contenders over the next 2-5 years with this group. Let's just remain positive and also share thoughts about our shared passion.

I know we are 4-0, so this is a win worth celebrating. However, the Bills have a troubling trend of not closing out games, playing to "not lose," and not going for the knockout blow on either defense or offense. Again, we are a good team, but the Bill's farted away the last 7 minutes with no urgency or commitment to go for the juggler. Should have won 37-16 and played too the whistle.