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I've been a Bills fan for over 40 years. Had season tickets during the Super Bowl years. Don't try to say that I'm not a Bills fan because I have an opinion on a certain topic. How long have you been a fan, 2 years? And yes, he had odd's on him to win MVP, but no real knowledgeable person thought he had any chance to win it. No one with the most turnovers would ever win it. Just because I didn't think he was ever a serious candidate to win the award doesn't mean I'm not a big Josh Allen fan. I am certainly a fan, and I would give anything to just win one Super Bowl. I suffered through a lot of lean years and then suffered through 4 Super Bowl losses. Dak Prescott was second and he's been roasted because of it. Mahomes had 12, Burrow I believe had 15. I wouldn't say anyone had a ton of turnovers, even Josh didn't have , in your words, a ton. Yes, turnovers are part of his play, but go back and look at some of them. Even he admits many of them were preventable. He has to do better and he's the first to admit that. Kudos to him for saying that. I'd like to know how you turned my comments into me hating Josh Allen as our QB. I think he is probably going to go down as our best ever. I just questioned his total commitment based on what I see in the off season. This is why I think your take on my take is dumb. Because I questioned his total commitment this off season, not his ability as a quarterback. He's been great for the most part. Without him at his best, they have no shot. My initial point was saying that maybe Diggs was trying to make a statement concerning the commitment of the coaches and maybe even Josh. I said this spat may end up helping the team in the long haul. Look back on all my posts. I am not a troll.

I would argue because of the nature of the sport, the bargained days of are a good thing for the players. We want players to be as healthy as possible when the season starts. I think it's possible that Diggs didn't show to make a statement. He saw the same offense as he saw in the Cincinnati playoff game and wants change. Ken Dorsey was badly outcoached by Cincy. I have no doubt that Diggs wants to win, badly.

I agree

I said he may not be as focused as before because of all the distractions. Didn't you read where I said that I hope I am wrong? Allen HAS to show up at the voluntary OTAs. If he didn't, that would be a story, every though it's voluntary. Diggs not showing up for voluntary OTAs proves my point. He's making a statement. He wants a change somewhere. I think now they are listening. This may help in the long run.

My whole point was not to say Allen was a bad quarterback, but that I'm not sure he's as focused as he was before

Like I said, you've taken this conversation on new path. I never said Rivers was a bad quarterback. Why are we talking about Rivers? By the way, Rivers has not won a Super Bowl

Bills have never had good quarterbacks not named Kelly or Allen. You might make a case for Ferguson. So really, you've gone way off topic

He couldn't get it done in the clutch, go back and look at that game

He lost 🤦‍♂️

That is a good point except for Philip Rivers who was a no show for the most part in the playoffs. Also, Eli Manning kind of sucked, but won in the playoffs because of great defense and some clutch throws and great catches, but I do give him credit for those wins, just that he wouldn't have done it without that great defense. Favre was great and at times was terrible. He won one Super Bowl. I'm not sure The Bills will get even one with Josh Allen, because of the talent in the AFC.

Those were voluntary. Why people like to criticize players for not showing up to voluntary practice has always perplexed me. But anyway, we will see this year if it was selfish or a desire to win. I saw a guy in the Cincinnati game who was upset about losing. I didn't see that same passion in the rest of the offense that day. I still think this whole thing might end up helping the team. Remember the bickering Bills?

This is such a dumb take. He was never really in the MVP race. Josh Allen had the most turnovers in the NFL in 2022. Let that sink in, THE MOST!! I never said they weren't allowed to have lives. I'm just commenting on what I have observed this off season. To be the best at something, it takes hard work. It takes commitment. As I've said, I hope I'm wrong. Also, if you want to have a conversation, don't start off by calling the other person dumb.

Both could be true, Josh could be all in to win, but does he work as hard as he did after his rookie year? I have no idea if Diggs was in France, but if he was, so what. I'm not talking about one trip. I'm not saying they can't take a vacation. I'm just wondering about Josh's commitment when he's at every golf tournament. As a matter of fact he was at the tournament in Rochester and was interviewed on TV. All he could talk about was all the tournaments he was able to see and would see. He even lamented the one he would have to miss because of training camp. Then I see the rumors about him and Hailee Steinfeld and how they are seen about the town in NY. Does he still have the work ethic to get better, like he had when he made a meteoric improvement after his rookie year. I have no doubt he wants to win, but it takes a lot of work to stay at the top of your game and to even improve. I hope he proves me wrong.

As I said, this might work out better than we think. Time will tell. I'm sure you will be cheering him on when he is catching touchdowns. Voluntary OTA's are just that, voluntary. Why would he show up to voluntary practices and do this? It wouldn't get his point across. If mandatory practice is so important, why did they cancel the last day?

You're right

Diggs did show up, and left for what may turn out to be good reasons. Josh Allen shows up for all the pro golf tournaments too. That's my concern. Is he as committed?

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Yeah ok, but this opinion is not coming from inside the organization.

I'm not taking anyone's side. Not sure why taking Diggs side over Allen would be some kind of sacrilege anyway...kind of a weird statement there, but anyways, I hope Josh proves me wrong.

Of course he's going to say that. I hope he has a great year, but remember what I said if he doesn't.

I'm just coming from the perspective of how Diggs might perceive things. Besides, all the golfing outings Allen has been seen at, and the new star romantic partner he's been seen with. I think it's fair to ask if he works as hard now as he did going into his second season.

Has anyone thought of the fact that what Diggs just did may actually help this team win? He may have just given Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey, et al a wake up call!! Diggs wants to win. He come in, sees the same offense being run, sees Josh Allen all over the television at every golf tournament he can possibly get to, sees him all over the internet , not because he's trying to get better at football, but because he's dating a movie star. He knows Ken Dorsey got outcoached badly by the Cincy DC. He knows all to well that it was McDermott's fault they lost the 13 second game. Maybe he sees the same old same old, and feels he needs to rock the boat and wake them up!!!

I just don't agree with "Everyone in the organization has acknowledged" that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing. Brandon Beane has said that he wants to build a team that always has a chance of winning every year. The window is far from rapidly closing.

Right, this is all nonsense. A 45 million dollar cap hit will lead to some issues as well.

And he didn't say whether it was a bull or bear market when these coaches reached the Super Bowl.