Mr. WEO

Maybe because it happens everywhere and they make news about it everywhere.

See above. players will tell you it's not conjecture. He clearly blamed their "execution" for the collapse. Only if you are one of those people who believe that reporters simply make up quotes and stories such as these.

Yeah, NFL coaching staffs are famous for harboring wilting flowers and fragile snowflakes. Anyway, you speculated wrong--see below:

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Is that what McD is saying to his staff that led to this tweet? got a link for that? Maybe they just think he's a strategic disaster who is ready to hint it was someone else's fault at the first opportunity.

Cousins gets crapped on a lot, but in the past 7 seasons, he has averaged 4223 yards and 29 TDs vs 11 INTs and completed 67% of his passes. In his last 4 seasons, at Minn, he has had a QB rating of less than 100 (99.7) only once and has been a Pro Bowler twice. He's a top 10 QB all day. 4000/30 would have put Baker in top 10 for both categories last season--other than Burrow and Herbert, the QBs ahead of him making tons more money.

McCarthy wasn't a very good coach (see my post above). Lafleur is much better, as is the Offense he brought with him, yet no SB appearances. In 2018, the Packers "brought in" Tonyan, Lazar and MVS--3 guys who had significant contributions by 2020. Add them to a top 3 WR and a 1000+ yard RB who they drafted in 2017 and it resulted in the #1 scoring Offense, a trip to the NFCC game and Rodger's 1st MVP year in 7 years. Still no SB. But yeah, they didn't give him any weapons--no "supporting cast"! ....#1 Offense. MVP. Your argument doesn't get any less absurd the more you repeat it. Here's another QB for you: Eli Manning. Took 2 mediocre Offenses (and Defenses) to 2 SBs where he won 2 SB MVPs. In 2007, he had 1 WR who barely scratched 1000 yards. Same for a RB. He did it a gain in 2011 with absolutely no running game and 2 good receivers (Cruz and Nicks--essentially flash in the pan guys). He put those teams on his back after sneaking into the playoffs and balled out through two legendary SB wins---vs Brady, no less. Under siege, he made iconic clutch completions to win those games. In 2020, Rodgers (MVP with the best Offense around him in the NFL) choked in the biggest moment. In 2021, he laid an egg against the mighty 49ers.

1. Rodgers only SB win was with McCarthy. Despite current opinions of his current coaching ability, That would also make him a coach that put Rodgers in a position to succeed. How did that escape you? 2. Rodgers is considered by many (here especially) as a top 5 or certainly top 10 all time. Yet you keep saying that he needs better players around him and a better coach—all sorts of help. Great QBs at some point go all the way in the postseason, with what they succeeded with during the rest of the season. You would have to conclude that Rodgers isn’t nearly on the same level, the same order of magnitude as Brady,wouldn’t you? Poor Aaron Rodgers—he has squandered a career searching for all the help he required to prove his greatness. Why will no one help him?? lol.

Packers loaded their roster with plenty of "jags" for years--isn't that your claim? yet no MVP for 7 years. They bring in rookies Lazard and MVP and Tonyan and a year later they are 13-3 and a year after that Rodgers gets his first MVP since 2104. Lazard has produced 14 TDs and 75 TDs on 109 catches in the last 3 years. Why isn't he a good pickup? Tonyan had a breakout year in 2018 (better than Knox this year--and everyone is saying he should be re-signed right now). Both of these guys were undrafted. If Josh was lighting it up as he is and won the MVP (twice) with Diggs and 3 guys brought in as, essentially, rookies (no games played) together 3 years ago, you certainly wouldn't be going on now about these 3 "JAGS" Beane drafted 3 years ago--and how they are not adequate. You would be calling him the Executive of the year for getting 3 pieces of Josh's MVP seasons for a total of a 5th round draft pick (MVP).

without Adams, Jones AND MVS, Tonyan....zero point zero chance Rodgers is MVP in 2020 (he certainly didn't deserve it in 2021). It was the lack of a pinpoint laser beam (or a run for the EZ) at the end of the NFCC in 2020 that kept the Packers from the SB. In 2021, it was a general paucity of laser beams while not avoiding the pass rush that resulted in 8 completions (on 15 passes) in the entire second half vs the mighty 49ers.

Backup nickel CB is the 18th highest average annual salary on the roster now...

With the Packers fleshing out the Offense to allow 2 league MVPs for Rodgers (none since 2014)---the "they've given him no weapons" argument becomes more idiotic each year.

Well put. The value of a punter, especially to a team that has a top D (even with a current "bad" Punter) is being way over rated here. The difference among them has such a small delta, that their impact is miniscule. But if you need to fil a roster spot for the longer term, I see no problem blowing a throwaway pick like a 6 or even a 5 on one.

Punter won’t change anything

The whole incident was as notable for how every single Bills player could only wave and point afterwards. Pitts doing the matador and Brown and Poyer looking for flags. So soft... Anyway, this would be a great move-----just to watch the heads explode here!

That's where the comparison begins and ends

Bills had a top ranked D despite a mediocre at best punter. Plus a dynamic Offense. This combo makes the Punter less valuable. Let the crappy teams blow capital on a Punter.

Since the rule change in 2010 for regular season, 2012 for playoffs, there have been 163 OT games. Coin toss winner winner won 52.8% of those games. Playoffs are a sample size of 11 games over 10 seasons, and only 7 teams that won the toss scored a TD on their first possession. So 63.6% (not 90%) of those games involved only 1 team having a chance to score). Even so, the small sample size gives a poor reflection of the actual advantage for the coin toss (just over 50:50 for the toss winner).

If the opposing D can hold the flip winner to a FG, they will get the ball and a chance to tie or win on their possession. It's trading 2 point conversions. That's not football. It's like playing a full hockey or soccer game and then just doing a shootout. What's the point of playing a full game prior?

Cards shouldn't respond at all. Silence. Murray has zero leverage with another year on his rookie contract. Ignore him.

continuing the recent trend of re-treading threads as "new" by including a poll. nice

Brady was pulling the weight himself for decades. Had Gronk for some of those years--a TE as his best weapon. Plus he made the careers for tiny slot receivers like Welker and Edelman. Who did NE draft in round as "weapons" for him? They had no 1st round pick in '09, '13, '16, '17. Other than that, in his 20 years, zero weapons from 2000-2018/19, when he got Sony Michel and n'Keal Henry. Yet no one's saying the Patriots screwed Brady's prime. Why? Because he kept winning rings with what they had. This fiction about Rodgers starving for Offensive weapons--particularly the past 2 seasons is bizarre, yet persistent. There's no excuse for the Packers to have been bounced from the playoffs the past 2 seasons with the talent they had. The best QBs get their teams past lesser teams (SF was clearly that going into their playoff game this year).

well, that was lessened not long ago with a change in the OT rule. Recently, a team won on the first possession with a FG, Now it has to be a TD or the other team gets a possession to tie or win. They don't need to change it again. The Defense is expected to play hard in OT as well as the Offense. This is a non-issue.

I only put quotes around "messed up"....because you said: "how Green Bay has messed up being blessed with the best QB in the conference for the past decade." if not the roster, what are you referring to? Seems clear it's the Offensive roster.... In 2020, the Packers had the #1 scoring Offense in the league--only the 3rd time in Rodgers's career and the first time in 7 seasons. That's not all from Adams and Jones. Anyway, in the 2019 and 2021 seasons, SF had a top 10 D. Packers were in same range. Same for TB. In Rodgers's "prime" with McCarthy, the Packers had 1 playoff run with more than a single win over a 6 year span after the SB 10 years ago.... But the point is that Rodgers (who didn't deserve the MVP in 2021), even in his prime, even with the best Offense in the NFL (2011, 2014, 2020), Rodgers can't get this team back to the SB.

Same with Davis, Knox…