Mr. WEO

Where else is going to go and get back to a Conference Championship Game this year?

I was wrong about the 2019 team. Turns out they were fairly stacked on Offense and multiple guys had career years in 2020. Loaded Bucs win SB because of Brady. Not rookies. Come on! Not the Offense, the QB. Why did you leave that out? And not “nothing”-/I’ve already conceded there is a theoretical chance a rookie would have made such an impact in that one game that the Packers go to the SB. I gave you 1% chance that was true, 99% not.

Yes. So what? They got better because with another year in, the players they had got better. You're left making the absurd argument that they (and Rodgers) suffered for a lack of "new weapons". The year before AR threw only 26 TDs. A year later, with no "new weapons", he tossed 48. Your position is hopeless. Somehow you left out the part where Winston's "offense" threw 30 ints. lol. shocking. And left out that they got Brady (before Gronk) and that's why they won the SB. They replaced a bad QB with the GOAT on an already solid roster and presto...crazy right? Let Rodgers show up on the Jets or Jags roster (n a trade, say) and let's see how that goes. Rodgers the rookie was no help to Favre and a Packers team that was desperate for weapons. But, come on! I gave you a 1% possibility that a rookie makes a game changing play in that one game and they go to the SB. I thought that was pretty big of me to concede that.

I don't have to. Rodgers and the Packers already did that. No rookies. Team got better. No need to continue.

See above. Rodgers jogs 10 open yards into the EZ they tie the game. But ok, let's say there's a 1% chance that somehow, some unnamed rookie could have altered the outcome of that game/quarter/play. That leaves 99% likelihood he would have had no such impact.

They did get better. On Defense and clearly on Offense. How many more TDs would Rodgers have thrown? How much more of an MVP could he have been? How many more games would they have won? Only one game mattered--the last one against the ultimate SB winner.. And the HC and QB choked away the game in the end. Jog 10 yards untouched for the tying TD and maybe they are in the SB. What 1st round rookie was going to change any of that? Name him.

You can’t escape the fact that despite the rookies not helping, the team got even better after or despite that draft. It’s impossible to say they suffered (especially the offense) due to that draft. All data shows the opposite.

Yes, great QBs make others around them better. Breaking news right? And was it a great shock to you that the Colts went 2-14 with Curtis Painter? Impossible to see that coming, right? Note that the Broncos won a SB despite awful QBing by Manning. The Packers would be crazy not to ride Rodgers til he's retired....specifically because they see how good this team is right now. Your comment makes no sense. It's easy to see (and I've shown you)...that Offense got significantly better this season, just by each player getting better. Several of them were drafts within the past 2-5 years. No, I'm not. You made that up. The GM's first year, they were 6-9 with Rodgers. Then. 2 13-3 seasons/Division wins/NFCC games--and the GM's gotta go. Again, well argued.... That draft had no impact, correct. They got better on both sides of the ball despite it. The FO put a very talented team on the filed. They players, including Rodgers, couldn't execute. Didn't matter. Massive improvement. That lineup got Rodgers an MVP. But yeah, I quite some time ago admitted I was wrong in that they couldn't;'t get better with (insert rookie name here) this season. They got much better, in fact--without "almost nothing" from the rookies.

You are pretending you aren’t following the posts i was responding to. Anyway, What if they drafted no one in 2020? Didn’t matter. Defense still improved, Offense massively improved. This is fact. But now GMs gotta go when rookies don’t contribute much to a championship caliber roster?? Rodgers has no basis for demanding the firing of his GM. That FO put together a team that got to them to NFCC game 2 years in a row....and he should be canned because the players (and coach) couldn’t get it done? You can repeat that a hundred more times to yourself in the mirror—-still won’t make any more sense.

Dillon ran for 5.3 per and a couple of TDs. Runyon filled in well on the O-line for injured vets and did well. The reason that the "they got him no weapons" take is so dumb, is because it's so easily proven false. Despite the draft being "a joke", the weapons they already had on the roster played better than the year before. Despite the draft being a "joke", the Packers went from being the 15th in scoring, to the number 1 scoring Offense in the league--it went up 35% to over 500 points. The Packers are the only team in the NFL that had a WR, a RB and a TE with 11 or more TDs each. 35% increase in scoring in a single season, number 1 scoring team in the league for only the 4rd time in the franchise's last 58 seasons, 3 skill players with double digit TDs, a league MVP QB.........and the conclusion is that Rodgers didn't have enough weapons in 2020? Yeah, that's obviously nonsense.

No, everyone knows it was Jordan Love's fault! lol. Love only needs to win 1 SB and he will be tied for 2nd all time QB SB winners in that legendary franchises history.

The scouting is that he gets beat with power because of his low weight/high center of gravity. Also beaten by speed.

Packers fans have been saying that for the past 10 years about Rodgers.

These takes are nuts, but too common. The team they put around him this past season; top 10 D 9th in passing 8th in rushing 1100 yard RB with 9 rushing and 2 receiving TDs, plus a 3rd year guy who is getting better every year (690 yards at 21 YPC!!) 1375 yard 18 TD WR 586 yard 11 TD TE You could argue that, other than WR (where even there, it's close), that Rodgers had more quality weapons than Josh was "given". Maybe Josh should demand a trade?? Oh, then there was this season ending, SB hopes dashing decision by PackerDonna:

Beane is only like 5' 7".

This kid is only 311 lbs at 6' 8". And that's after he bulked up in college (small school).

Thanks for the response. I wasn't picking on the poster in particular, just the over the top hero worship that really shouldn't be necessary to enjoy the sport and the players. The term is (even to this civilian) seems at the least, silly and at the worst, offensive to those who serve and have served, as I know that includes you (I've never served--spending a night at sea on the Nimitz doesn't count!). It's also, as Hapless alludes, a bit insulting to hard working/laboring regular folks who look to sports for entertainment, and who also work when injured....or they don't get paid. Playing hurt or injured is part of most major sports at every level, more so in football no doubt. As Hapless also said, if you can play, you're probably OK, if you can't someone else does your job (and you still get paid more than they do). So finding out that a guy was playing through "an oblique" (imagine players from the 60's, 70's 80's having to hear that!) gets not a hero's welcome, but a hale and hardy..."ok". I'm in health care and it's become common for people in the past year to tell workers such as me: "thank you for your service", when we are just showing up for work It's really not much of a sacrifice. Military service is. So I thank you and any Actives and Vets out there. Cheers!

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Enjoy the beautiful disaster.

This is a good "1-2" punch.

Packers nation disgruntled he didn't even look at the open receiver for the tying TD. Softy.

Wait....they're not clams??

There's Cleveland Steamers...

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The bolded was exactly your point and I'm disagreeing with it.