Mr. WEO

They could draft the next Erik Flowers!! Yet another top 10 O-line pick cautionary tale...

Well clearly that's not all they were looking at for their assessment---did you ever read even one redraft scouting report on him? There's no way you would keep repeating this if you had. Other factors? He played in the Mountain West--not a hotbed of NFL talent. Only 70 of 1700 players on active rosters at the start of 2020 season. That's it's like out there. Here's a typical assessment: "Had the nation’s highest grade on passes thrown when scrambling. Had the highest percentage of big-time throws in the nation in 2016. Does not work well in the quick game. Often vacates the concept quickly in order to break the pocket and create outside of structure. Misses far too many throws. Had the 24th-highest percentage of negatively-graded throws in the nation and 20 turnover-worthy throws tied for 22nd. Sees the game much better when outside the pocket, but must improve his processing ability within the pocket. His footwork was not good, his mechanics weren't good, his decision making was sketchy---these are the things that lead to a sub 60% rate of completions. This was all very well documented. You must have missed it way back when you concluded they were all wrong (by only looking at the completion %). "I do not disagree with you in regard to the fact that Allen struggled with a low completion percentage at Wyoming and, as a result, the overwhelming assessment with him was that he had accuracy issues. That was the primary narrative about Allen coming out of college: He was not an accurate passer." They were all overwhelmingly correct. You have provided no evidence to the contrary. But he fixed these clear deficits, and now here he is...and it's ok.

What?? Newton was one of the dual threat QBs every to come out of college and you say Allen was only being compared to Newton....for their passing games?? Come on! Everyone redraft was commenting on his athleticism and his ability to scramble and run. Even low level buffalo rumblings Madde the obvious observation: " his tape is full of examples of Allen bullying his way for a first down."

He struggled as a passer his rookie year. This mirrored his college struggles with accuracy. He got better the past 2 seasons. I'm not sure what you are having a problem with that many pointed out that he struggled as an accurate passer (the evaluations of him were fairly detailed) and this was evident as soon as he started in Buffalo--he struggled to complete more than 50% 0f his passes--so at that point the assessments were accurate. This isn't really debatable. If you are now saying that their were diffuse assessments that "he never would be" and accurate passer.....yeah, I don't remember that being the overwhelming conclusion.

He’s consistent projected to go #2 or 3 QB, perhaps even pick, in the draft. Where’s the drop?

Is anyone really worried about the Jets either way? I don’t think so. Lawrence on par with Luck. Not so sure. Gonna find out real fast in that NFL wasteland where he’s headed.

he was deemed a great athlete before he was also known as a running QB. He was scouted as a superior athlete.

Not true: https://www.foxla.com/news/tmzs-harvey-levin-spoke-to-kobe-bryants-reps-before-posting “I was personally on the phone with various people in Kobe’s camp and I got it confirmed by them and we posted the story.”

Absolutely no one was NOT taking into consideration his circumstances at Wyoming. The fact that he was a consensus 1st round pick, top 4 QB (and at least 2 mainstream outlets had him as a possible overall pick) prove you aren't correct with that claim. His rookie year was like his college career--with the same criticism that were certainly NOT based on "superficial" evaluation. You can't credibly argue otherwise.

LOL....Josh didn't become an "elite" QB by running the ball. He started passing more accurately to better receivers--and running less. This was obvious in 2020, when he became "elite". Singletary is a mediocre RB. He's now paired with a second one--his game didn't improve. That's just how it is.

Carolina is taking Fields at 8 in that scenario. No question. Regardless, "Graduating" Jackson for the next Tua doesn't make much sense, Bucky.

Maybe they were able to locate a helicopter with an altimeter.

Fields can't move like Jackson. It's a hot take, that's all. How does Brooks say the Ravens move up to get Fields?

Josh is a rare athlete. Singletary isn't. If players just needed to work on their technique in the NFL, the league wouldn't endlessly be churning through day 1 picks year after year....

Nope. It wasn't "garbage". His rookie year mirrored the concerns noted in his predraft evals (and data). He got a lot better over 2 years.

They absolutely know who they are taking. Come on! This is a real non-news comment by Shanny. Certainly no news to Jimmy G....

Happens in MLB and NBA. They don't mind as much maybe.

Has anyone considered Oweh?

To the glue factory

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lol, lighten up. He could have just merged it with your #3 Oweh thread.

Wow!--another Oweh thread! Also, congrats on the 3-4/15.

Every year, graduating medical students enter a residency training match program that will determine where they will spend their next 3 to 7 (or more) years. They rank their choices, as does each residency program. A computer program tells everyone where they are headed after graduation. Many will make less than $10 an hour over their prime earning years. Who cares if these guys can't pick where they start their careers? I just turn on the TV and there they are....

There's like 2 threads about each of these guys right here on TSW. @nflrums is reading!

His YPA was (barely) above average for one season. He threw a ton of short passes and check downs. There aren't many 1st rounders who aren't at least familiar with the concept of the importance of the short passing game.