Mr. WEO

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"Breaking news 2 hours ago in the thread dedicated to this topic"

Stringer's death during practice changed rules for the conditions for which players are monitored for heat stroke--a major move which is well known and well documented. Despite this, 20 yers later, there is no rule making for games in the heat. None. The conclusions are obvious. You won't accept this...that doesn't change them. I'm not disagreeing with anything. I'm stating the facts as they are. It really doesn't get any simpler than that.

they think they are safe. You say they are wrong. summed for you

They can just watch the game film from Sunday--watch a D give up 500 yards on 90 plays...and still win.

None of them have said that, but that's far from thew point because no one is claiming they did. As you correctly landed upon--they understand it's their job. Sometimes it's very hot, sometimes it's very cold. Or very wet with unsure footing. Has any of them said "I hope it pours so hard that the grass is almost unplayable"? How about, "man, I hope the wind chill is such that my toes and fingers may lose tips due to frostbite"? It's a silly as it sounds. Players and the NFLPA play on artificial turf because "it's there job"----yet they are extremely vocal (have a public opinion) about the dangers of turf to their health and safety. On weather? Nothing. On very hot weather? Nothing. You are determined to tell me how I should feel about this (over and over), when how I feel has no bearing whatsoever on this topic. You are essentially telling them how they should think about this as well., I'm sure we both could compile a list of jobs that we feel are "unsafe" that people do "because it's their job". So what? Pro athletes as a group, and NFL players in particular are very publicly vocal about what they want and what their interests are. Your insistence that playing in Miami in September at 1 PM is on its face inherently, always, by its very nature, completely unsafe....does not make it so for the NFL. I could not be more obvious that those involved in the game do not agree with you.

You keep projecting this on me--for reasons only you know. Weird. Show me where these 300+lb men, their coaches, their owners or their union have deemed it tooo dangerous to play in those conditions. I've asked you several times now to do so. You keep throwing you own thoughts and feeling on me. They aren't germane to this discussion.

If you've read my posts, I have repeatedly said that visitors should have some shade. But pointing out 6 years later that the field has an unfair advantage after a Bills loss in a game where they absolutely dominated the home team, despite this advantage (and lost) makes a poor argument for the safety issue. If anyone in the NFL/players/owners were calling for some sort of immediate change/relief, your point would carry some weight (see the Tua conversation, for contrast). But they aren't, so it doesn't. Me pointing that out really isn't arguing for the sake of it. It's a safety issue when anyone involved says it is--your opinion doesn't make it a safety issue. I don't know why that is hard for you to accept or understand.

If Kenny hadn't lost his stool like that, would Pat be asking if Dorsey even really cares at all?....

Bills lost 3 O-lineman by the 4th Q: 2 from heat and 1 from head injury. A couple of players receiver some reported form of treatment (stretches and IV) but came back. 1 threw up on the sideline. The Bills still, despite all this, were able to thoroughly outplay the Fins--500 yards on O. But they went 2-4 in the redzone and missed a FG. Yes, shade on both sides would be good.

why not just bring in a Lamar?:

finally got one right

so Austin runs around and pretends to throw a pass?

Can we add this to the list of things that "will bring down the league for good"?

If by "we" you mean the NFL/onwers/players know it's too dangerous to play--well clearly that's not the case. I 've said so repeatedly and you offer nothing to say they agree that it's too dangerous. You cited an extensive list of things they DID find dangerous and changed the rules. Yet, despite their demonstrated propensity to change the rules, they have not done so for heat that may be severe. CLEARLY they don't consider it a threat worth changing the rules for---your own citations make this absolutely clear. It's always the final resort of those putting forward weak arguments--to challenge the reading comprehension of those dissecting them. But yes, you may be onto something. I think I have some sort of disorder where my comprehension is proportional the the sophistication of the point I'm responding to. For instance I also have struggled with cave paintings In the end, it's not about what YOU were or were not aware of or what YOU consider fair or dangerous--same goes for you bro NewEra The NFL, the Bills, etc don't. You feeling on this are not consistent with those who play and control the game, so why continue to pretend they do or should? It's always the final resort of those putting forward weak arguments--to challenge the reading comprehension of those dissecting them. But yes, you may be onto something. I think I have some sort of disorder where my comprehension is proportional the the sophistication of the information I'm responding to. For instance I also have struggled with cave paintings: are they running toward the water buffalo, or away from it.....or are they running at all? I'll seek help! It was 100 degrees in the shade with the heat index. The Dolphins D was on the field for 90 plays as the Bills were able to rack up their biggest yardage (by a lot) so far this season, despite the heat.

You cite an article that describes a retired NFL player who died in his home following an idiotic exercise routine. The res documents one NFL player who died in five years. plus some other college players. None in games, but in practice. THIS has led to changes in the NFL (it involves rectal temperatures and ice baths). you haven’t produced anything showing where the swell of support for non-lightning/flooding weather conditions from the league, the owners or the players and their union? if the Bills beat the Find in the heat, this thread wouldn’t exist

show me we’re they changed the rules over heat/weather in, say, Miami? they have had 75 years to address it. They have had 6 years to confront the Dolphins over their unfair and dangerous stadium design. Why does the NFL, and the Bills, disagree with you on this, to this point?

the obvious and simple answer is that the entire list you cited contains rules only regarding how players interact with each on the field, and prohibitions which allow them fewer opportunities to hurt each other. None regard weather, let alone heat. it was a completely meaningless citation in regard to this discussion. You may as well have linked the fee schedule for league uniform code violations, It clearly supports the conclusion that, after decades of play, the NFL (and the NFLPA, for that matter) don’t consider playing in the sunshine in Miami a problem they need to solve. Should they allow shade on the visitor side? Sure. What did the Bills organization say about the safety of that game Sunday? Their opinion is all that matters

no one cared about this for the past 6 years the roof has been there. No the Bills piss a win away and suddenly “it’s too hot in Miami!!!” this is like last years wind game (out coached for the weather) and suddenly “how could they not be putting a dome on the new stadium!!!it’s too windy for outdoor football in Buffalo!!”

Those are simple in game trainer/player things.

what rule did they change to prevent death in that game? Did they cancel it? Did they delay it until 4? Einstein doesn't have the math on this one so help us out. All results in this case stem form the degree of preparation. It was a well known and fully anticipated weather environment they were entering. plenty of time to prepare in extra-ordinary ways. I haven't seen a reporting as to what atypical measures they took to be as ready as possible.

they started it....

Weather report will let you know if Sunday is going to be one of those days. Who knows what teamwide, extra preparation the Bills had every player participate in? Maybe next year they will have them wear cooling vests under their gear and hook them up at halftime. MAybe do routine core temp checks on the sideline to see who is dangerously high and then send them to the blue tent for icepacks on head/neck/armpits/groins. Cooled IVs at halftime. Mandatory supervised hydration beginning early am gameday at the stadium facilities.

I've hit at least 4 deer, my car never flipped over (1 deer did). Had 10K damage (looked like about $500 to me, but....they had me at the repair shop).

The only reason the Raves are a top 3 running team is because their QB is by far their leading rusher.... Shut that down and Roman doesn't have much running game.