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Yes, we have an exciting group of weapons for next year, it may even prove to be Allens best season. And we are finished, 100%. Beane literally said so after the draft he will be making no trades for WR's despite the medias obsession of falsely linking the Bills to every trade in the NFL. He said he was signing a guy, which he did, and we are done right now. Doesn't mean something can't change as they get into camp and maybe someone comes available, we have an injury, or maybe the unit we have is struggling...but right now, he is done with any significant moves.

NO. He isn't even the best WR on his own team let alone worth what they pay him. And Beane flat out said he will not be looking to trade for any of the rumored available WR's. He likes who we have. So it doesn't matter if they are available or not, we are not going to be a potential landing spot for him despite, as Beane even puts it, the media linking us to every trade out there.

So let me see...you're frustrated that people are not wallowing in the negative viewpoint end of the pool where you swim 365 days a year on everything Bills related? Maybe...just maybe...if you were not the one who has like a 100% success right of putting a negative emoticons on every post here that has any positivity to it what so ever and only ever liking ones that support a negative view point others might actually discuss more rationally your view points. Bottom line is pretty simple with Coleman...if you line him up with a faster corner and just say go deep in a straight line, he isn't going to run past him. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have the speed to still be a deep ball guy, the speed to get open, the speed to be a great WR1 in the NFL. He is fast enough and as fast or faster than many of the best WR's of the last 10 years. Whether he will develop the technique and skills to reach his potential is still to be seen, but there is a reason to be optimistic he will because he has the attitude, the work ethic, the drive, etc to believe he will put in the work to get there.

Yes he did, and as Beane literally said in the past and again this year, anyone can have an off moment in any one drill at the combine, and if they do, he isn't going to kill him for it. It won't change the tape, it won't over ride all the other drills, etc. And then he did also significantly improve the 40 time at his pro day like you said to a 4.51 which is faster than a lot of the best WR's in the NFL now and the past 10 years. He did and it was a 4.51

Shakir has always been working with Moulds since early on. This wasn't a new thing this season if you didn't already know that. He's been putting in the work to be the best he can be and we have just seen the beginning with him, this kid (like I said in my thread about him) is about to arrive here in a bigger way than people think.

Its hard to ever take anything you say seriously as you literally hate or find the negative in everything...always...no matter what...in all occasions...in season or off season...that the Bills do or say. The last time you said something positive about anything related to the Buffalo Bills, the only thing OJ had murdered were his lines in movies.

Hmmmm...maybe because his deep ball in his least accurate pass? Maybe because bombs are a tiny part of a game, if that. Maybe because we play outdoors in a bad weather stadium where late in the season and playoffs "bombing it" isn't a realistic game plan. Or...more importantly...maybe (and really certainly given Beane has even said as much) because this team has seen other teams be more physical and tough in the postseason allowing them to make those extra plays or two than we have because we have been too soft, tried to be to high octane, etc. Some of you blow my mind. Hey...lets keep doing what doesn't work. You say we have the this incredible QB, but then you guys also say he can only succeed if he has the best collection of weapons the NFL has ever seen. Its so stupidly contradictory that I can't help but laugh when I see people regurgitate this nonsense over and over again. Meanwhile, the fastest offense in NFL history (Miami) can't even beat a .500 team, can't win their division with a 4 game lead and 5 games to go, and can't win a playoff game despite MVP candidates at both WR and QB. Why is that? Because you WIN IN THE TRENCHES...you don't win with a track team. You win when you play good, physical, smart football. Yes, also having speed to go with it is great. But it is not the end all be all. PS: We are NOT a slow team. Shakir runs a 4.4 forty, Samuel a 4.3, Kincaid is a mismatch at TE, and Cook is an explosive RB both as a rusher and receiver. Not to mention maybe the most dangerous QB while running the NFL has ever seen who is deceptively fast and powerful. This concept we have no speed or explosion is so inaccurate it baffles me if any of you saying we don't have any speed even know anyone on this roster outside of Diggs and Allen. And as far as Coleman goes, fastest gauntlet of anyone...the test that is MUCH more indicative of game play speed. He may not blow by corners, be has burst, athleticism, and acceleration that most guys his size don't have to go with a huge catch radius and great hands who is a massive redzone weapon too. PPS: Guess where you score more TD's...redzone or bombs? Don't bother looking it up, the answer is blatantly obvious.

This and I will take a step further…they also don’t understand the fundamentals of what makes a good WR, the fundamentals of how you get separation, and how little weight the Game/scouts give the 40 time as a stand alone evaluation vs the sum of all the parts, combine events, and tape. Fans seem to think the 40 time is everything. GMs, including our Beane who has said it many times, understand a guy can go out at the combine and either have an off day or have gone out to train on how to excel at combine and put up big results. Neither scenario CHANGES THE TAPE. You can’t over weigh the combine results good or bad versus the tape. Combine is a part of the story, it is not the complete story. Coleman for example didn’t get his best 40 time at combine but then went on to crush the much more important gauntlet and then ran a cleaner 40 and improved to 4.51 at his pro day. Xavier Worthy on the other hand trained specifically to beat the combine time record. He trained in sprinting and lightened his frame. Thats not his real game speed. Still has elite speed of course, but he did that to set a record, it’s a show to try and raise his draft stock and profile.

Your obsession with moving heaven and earth for a WR is getting unhealthy. So unhealthy you can’t even see the talent we have already in Shakir, Kincaid, Samuel and the talent we added in Coleman. What are you going to say when this is a top 5 offense again and we have 3 players near or over 1000 yards receiving in Coleman, Shakir, and Kincaid? What are you going to say when Coleman has more yards and TDs than 3 to 5 of the WRs drafted ahead of him? My guess…you’re gonna say the same thing you always say, even when we had Diggs…go mortgage our future with draft picks and cap space to trade for an again vet. Or you going to say trade our 3 picks in the first 2 rounds for some WR in the draft next year. It’s like the only thing you talk about on here.

By having an Elite QB Great post 👏

My issue with him is he is a fantasy football fan, who turned it into a job, who uses a few historical data points that lacks almost all context regarding the individual players and their individual traits and talents to somehow project a players future. This isn’t a professional scout who knows real football, knows how to break down film, technique, traits, etc and not only does he not have the experience, he also doesn’t have the depth of information they do either.

Josh Allen: Thats who I wanted and you can check all my posting before, during and after the draft. I hated Rosen, argued with people all leading up to the draft that he didn’t have what it takes and was gonna be a bust. I also warned everyone about Darnold and while I wouldn’t have hated Darnold, he was a terrible decision maker at USC and I thought he was a big risk and I preferred both Allen and Lamar. Baker was my top guy all college season, and once it was clear he played his way into top pick consideration I turned my attention to Allen and Lamar. Was down on Allen early in offseason leading up to combine, but he changed my mind post combine. And Lamar was my next guy, even started a thread titled “My case for Lamar” in a scenario of staying put and not trade up. Matt Milano - Honestly, I missed the later parts of that draft. Didn’t know a lot about him, and didn’t have a strong opinion one way or another initially. But he quickly became someone I was impressed with once he was here. Terrell Bernard - I wasnt as familiar with him as I am say I feel I am with Coleman, but I was pro the pick and defended it in the 18 page draft thread and Beanes decision to take him. Even called Kiper an idiot for him hating the pick. I really liked the potential of Bernard with his instincts and ability to cover TE as well and trusted Beane knew what he was doing given the success we had with another undersized LB in Milano. When he was set to start though after Edmunds left, I did have concerns if his frame could hold up to a full season of the physicality of playing LB. And honestly, that is still a concern that hasn’t really been eliminated despite his great play given he got hurt in his first season starting. I was actually glad to see us take another LB this year because with Milano and Bernard being smaller, injury risks are a thing and not having either of them against KC was a death nail as KC just attacked and exploited the glaring hole at LB all game. So I’m all for more depth there with the guy we took and guys like Dorian last year who I also liked.

You get separation from a number of things, least of all forty times. He has plenty of athleticism to separate at the next level and it’s going to come from technique. And at Florida St they didn’t focus on this enough with him, but he’s shown the ability to do it. At the next level the coaching in staff is going to focus on his technique and release because he proved he has plenty of short area burst and athleticism to excel there. There have been a lot of guys who came out where separation was a knock on college but showed they had the athleticism to be able to utilize technique at the next level. It’s why guys like Kupp, St. Brown, etc have all gone on to have great success. If a player lacks that athleticism (see Gabe Davis) then the ability to develop the techniques and routes that will allow them to consistently win at the next level isn’t as likely. You need to know what you are looking at to know who can improve and who can’t. It’s why people high on Allen could see the potential to be accurate by seeing he had the tools, intelligence, commitment, coach-ability, etc to make the improvements in technique and showed he could do it early leading up to the draft. Coleman has that. He has that drive, commitment and athleticism to continue to develop and improve where he needs to in order to win consistently in the NFL. Will he? Who knows. But he’s the kind of prospect I like to bet on. This kid has an it factor that a lot of players don’t. He has the right attitude, mentality, confidence, swagger, and competitive drive that sets a prospect up for reaching their potential. To me…if DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall had a baby, that’s Coleman except Coleman is more athletic and humble. That’s who I see when I watch him. And Coleman ran a faster 40 than both of them.

Incorrect. I’ve been saying since combine Worthy is not a good fit for Buffalo and that his 40 time doesn’t matter nor does his forty time show up on tape like it does for Tyreek Hill because there is a lot more that goes into real game speed than 40 times. First thing I said is Worthy speed is going to get negated in the bad weather in Buffalo late in season and post season, especially when the games get more physical because he isn’t strong. And when it does, he is going to be easier to take out of games. The difference between the people cheering him on is that they haven’t decided his career yet like his detractors who say he is a bust or cap his upside. They see a lot of potential and excited to see what he can do. Others have made their mind up (Like they did with Allen, Bernard, Milano, Taron, Cook, Shakir, etc) on draft night that he’s a bust or JAG at best and nothing more than that is possible. And the worst part is almost all of them are doing so off one piece of data only, one that is not nearly as significance to a WRs success as its overly exaggerated to be.

Couldn’t agree more. First, I think Coleman could have a bigger season than probably at least 3 or 4 of the WRs taken ahead of him. Second, you can tell the vast majority complaining about him literally know nothing about him and are making up assumptions over what they perceive his combine 40 time means. And they also ignore that his 40 time was much better at his pro day and that he showed it wasn’t a fluke as he also has the fastest gauntlet of anyone at the combine which is a much bigger indicator of in game speed. And quite frankly if anyone associates 40 times with mainly how WRs get separation then they don’t really understand how WRs get separation. Ask any coach, GM, or scout and they will tell you as a stand alone stat the 40 times are the most overrated stat of the combine and overly fixated on by the media and fans. It’s small part of a much larger picture.

Ray Davis was one of my favorite picks. He’s gonna eat here, and I don’t know how anyone can watch even the first minute of the video posted and not think he’s fast. And we don’t have stupid Dorsey anymore afraid to play the talent. I think Davis and Cook are going to make a dynamic 1-2 punch as the run game continues to be a big part of the offense under Brady. I said it before the draft…I said it during the draft…and I’ve said it after the draft. This offense not only will be a top unit again, it has the potential to be the best one of Allen’s career. I will have a more detailed write up of this tomorrow too.

Watch James Cook highlights from last year. OL was letting him get big gains before he had anyone touching him. OL was not like the OL of years past last season.

And it’s ok to differ on him, nothing wrong with that. But I do think the people who are down him is mostly because they really don’t understand who he is or what we just drafted. I also think people fail to realize how much speed is actually on this team right now. Kincaid is one the most promising young TEs in the game and going to be a nightmare for defenses as soon as maybe this year. When you point out how bad the back to back SB Champs are in the WR room the first thing they say is well they have Kelce, best TE ever even though he’s lost a step. So why is KC allowed to have a bad WR room and depend on one TE and the Bills aren’t allowed to have a better WR room and a TE that will be better this year than Kelce was last year? Then you have Shakir who runs close a 4.4 forty himself and is a YAC machine. Samuel runs a 4.31 forty himself and is only 27. Then you have James Cook, a fast and explosive RB both as a runner and receiver out of the back field. Now add in Josh Allen who is one of the most dangerous QBs while running ever. For anyone to think we don’t have speed on this team is misguided. And again, Coleman not only improved his 40 time significantly, he also had the fastest gauntlet of anyone which is a much more important indicator of true in game speed. It’s all good, nothing but respect for you as a poster. But I am very confident people are going to be looking back midseason next year both realizing I was right about Shakir (from my other thread) and I was right about Coleman being a dog for us. This dude can ball and Bills Mafia will realize that this year.

One, I was high on him coming into the draft and you can see that in my posting history. So this isn’t me “wanting” to be happy with the pick, it’s me being happy with the pick because I spent a lot of time on the WRs this year, including talking to people I trust. Everyone is going to have different opinions, but all the whining (not saying you) and labeling the kid as a bust or capping his potential by people around here who know nothing about him or that getting separation and open has very little to do with 40 times is as over the top as it was on Josh Allen, Bernard, Milano, etc. Let the kid play. He’s gonna prove a lot of people wrong around here and I’m very confident about that personally.

Im not discrediting facts, I literally said I trust the facts coming from actual professionals not a fantasy football fan who turned his love for fantasy football into a job. And you just shared a scout comparing him to a borderline HOF WR. If he has the same rookie season Boldin had we might finally advance in the playoffs. PS: He’s also faster, taller and more athletic than Anquan Boldin.

What I am saying is that Matt Harmon doesn’t have the same qualifications to make that assessment over people who know a lot more about film breakdown, football, scouting, and grading prospects who don’t have the same concerns about him getting separation in the NFL. So going back to the original point…Coleman was not as “polarizing” as you put it among the experts that he was amongst the fans, and Mark Harmon is a fan you created a career around fantasy football breakdowns. He isn’t a trained scout. And most real football professionals were very high on him and had him generally ranked in the WR6 range ahead of most the WRs other people wanted us to draft.

Haha good reference. I think you can say a little bit of that for sure.

Actually the gap is quite wide in skill, time invested, knowledge, and information between professional scouts and fan evaluations. I know some scouts and I can tell you it’s not close to what they have on these guys and the time they put in.

You think making charts for fantasy football purposes of things that already happened equates to him breaking down film and analyzing prospects and the nuances of their positions to determine their actual strengths, weaknesses, and abilities to develop at the next level? Analyzing stuff for fantasy football has no automatic correlation to scouting and grading college prospects.

I can assure you that you don’t at all understand who Keon Coleman is.