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Which begs the often asked question: How much of the draft is Beane and how much is McBeane. IF Sean has a decent amount of say and a new coach either wouldn’t or would then maybe Beane should stay. However, IF the drafting is predominantly Beane then I think he needs to go to. My hunch is, McBeane is a real thing and they are drafting as a duo with close to equal say after the scouts have done their job and presented their info. If this were a similar setup with a new coach, it would take time to flip a roster . It also might pay bigger dividends if done right quickly. There are so many what ifs in this scenario that 🤷‍♂️ . Which is why the clock is ticking LOUDLY based upon Josh’s health and age. As much as I don’t love our current O scheme. I do like that Josh isn’t getting the stuffing beaten out of him.

They aren’t on the Bills so not really a concern to me. Both had Pro Bowl years as rookies and are struggling this year (especially Thomas). Lol, no one is piling on. It’s just calling it what it is. You’re jumping in as one of the Keon Truthers that I described. I’m not sure what there is to be disagreeing with? You responded to a post where I saw, “he has been a disappointment.” Do you agree that he has failed to meet expectations to this point? If you agree with that, you are, by definition, agreeing that he has been a disappointment.

I think blitzing would have been a mistake in 13 seconds - yes. Do I think they should have squibbed? For sure. Do I think they called the best coverages? No. Although Levi totally misplaying his assignment on the second didn't help. There is no question 13 seconds was coaching failure. That is well established. Again the leap in logic is that the antidote to that is somehow Rex Ryan. That is a classic logical fallacy. The thing we did failed, therefore we must do something else, this is something else, ergo this must be the right plan. There was actually what I considered a pretty reasonable discussion in another thread about what happens next if the Bills fail to meet expectations this year and who the realistic options might be. It seems it got nixed though before I had a chance to contribute. Even as someone who as of right now isn't committed to "Superbowl or regime change" this year I do think it is reasonable to have conversations about alternative options. I don't think it is reasonable to argue Rex Ryan would have won a Superbowl here. That is crazy talk.

Again, I am not disagreeing. I understand that the Giants beating the crap out of Brady and Mahomes running around like a chicken with his head cut off, was predominantly due to inside pass rush married to outside pressure ( and so Beautiful to watch all four times😁) But, in the moment of 13 seconds, can you say that a blitz with man coverage ( on one of the two plays) followed by a squib kick wouldn’t have possibly had a better outcome? No. You can’t. If you do, then we are just arguing to argue.

Rothlisburger in his 3rd year and a very good D and conservative run dominated O. D won them that Super Bowl ( and some BS penalties) D got Cower to a SB with Neil O’ Donnel at QB!!!! Neil Freaking O’ Donnell😜

Have not had a chance to rewatch the game. See a ton of great stuff being at the game, but miss the LOS stuff. What I want to see is how bad were the penalties. Seemed they were thrown every time we had a positive play..maybe coincidence? Pats defense seemed to force Josh to his favorite right side rollout a few times and shut him down. That being said, he seems like he is trying harder to not be Josh, than being Josh. What I mean is he’s trying to be a pocket passer and at times this year he looks a little indecisive doing it and misses out on QB runs he could of had, or wide open receivers downfield. When he does run, again looks indecisive at times and misses on what could be classic Josh runs and gets only a few yards. If they are asking him to be a pocket passer and let the game open for him, that is not how he is wired. Josh needs o be Josh. Let him do what he wants in the moment. With our defensive issues, letting Josh play at his best is imperative.

What beats Brady and Mahomes is rushing four. Not blitzing. You have to be able to get there with four. If you can't you are done for. Whether than is Spags in the 09 Superbowl vs Brady or Fangio in last year's v Mahomes. Rex was a blitz, blitz and blitz again merchant who by the middle of the last decade was out of touch and put of ideas. The Bills are blitzing more this year. How is that working out for them? The "just blitz more" crowd need to get off Madden and come into the real world. There legitmate reasons to be critical of McDermott by the way - the defense has got significantly worse since he helped nudge Leslie Frazier out, the Bills have this annoying tendency in years where the 1 seed is in play to lose stupid games to inferior teams, he hasn't been able to get to a Superbowl and to the extent he is involved in roster building (and that is really Brandon Beane but I believe they are totally aligned on the vision even though the individual choices are Beane's) they have not built the roster the way I would have advocated for. At this stage Sean (and Brandon) should be evaluated year on year in terms of have they maximised what was available to them. All of that is legitimate. But Rex Ryan winning a Superbowl in this decade? Nah. That isn't legtimate. That's a joke. I understand people being frustrated but seriously it is boiling some people's brains.

Philly too. Agree on the lousy games.

Back to “ I’m not sure”. Clearly we are playing a game of what if but your argument of the game passing him by is equally applicable to Sean. Sean being passed by : Josh being the almost sole reason we are where we are. Sean’s schemes being consistently shredded on third and long, year after year vs the assumption that Rex would have played more man and blitzed more. Can we know that Rex’s way would have been better? No. But, I would argue, in the biggest games, pressure is what beat Brady and Mahomes, not two deep shell coverage.

Does it seem to anyone else that the standing buffalo now is a little larger than it used to be? Maybe the helmets are larger than they used to be in the 60s and the buffalo was enlarged to compensate. Looking at the hype video the Bills released about the standing buffalo, it seems like the 1960s helmets had smaller buffaloes. There's a clip in it of Cookie running, about 80% of the way through the video, and the buffalo looks smaller than it did on Joe Ferguson's helmet. Maybe the Bills made the buffalo larger during the OJ years.

This has nothing to do with the falcons game but I don’t think it warrants its own thread.

North, like Fredonia/Dunkirk/Silver Creek

This is how groundswells look. This is how owners are forced into making changes. Far too many scaredy cats who are afraid of change ( Drought PTSD perhaps) who need to be dragged kicking and screaming to a change. Scoreboard = 4-1 = Excellent Eyetest = 😵

Knox has been amazing as a blocker this year, but I agree he’s still overpaid.

What Rex accomplished on defense in 2009 and 2010 is totally irrelvant by 2018 when Josh enters the league. The league had changed and Rex failed to keep pace. The game passed him by. If the argument is just put prime Josh Allen on the 2009-2010 Jets teams and they win a Superbowl, sure. I can well believe that. But the Rex Ryan who turned up here five years later was antiquated in terms of how NFL defense was being played and he never caught up. I say again, there is a reason Rex hasn't coached again since. Frankly the idea that he in the 2020s could lead anyone anywhere is absurd.

Which would make Sean a figurehead. No way is he ceding control of the D to an outsider with a different scheme! Zero percent chance!

How can anyone, even for a second, blame our current plight on lack of offensive production over the last six years? In the moment, I understand your observation but can counter it easily with “ jimmies and joes” argument. We do not currently have the skill players at receiver. I truly believe our best chance at a downfield passing game is currently (in this order) Kincaid, Hawes and Knox. This would mean passing more to the center of the field and it has never been something we have done consistently under any OC with Josh. A new coach scheming up a new downfield passing attack with this crop of receivers? See above, because it isn’t coming through these wideouts by scheme. Only, by sugar rush Josh running around and making things happen.

I don't think you move on from Beane... I'd keep him with the right HC. He's a great GM with a great negotiating strategy and talent evaluation. But McDermott? He should've lost his job years ago. Defensive genius who cannot stop the Andy Reids of the world. Can't take 3 seconds to tell a kicker to squib it... He'll always be outsmarted, unless Allen somehow gets him out of it. He doesn't pull it off this year with the greatest QB of all time, bring in an offensive mind...

Chris Simms take on the game and the Bills weaknesses + the way the Patriots match up is pretty brutal and matter of fact:

We have the best QB in the NFL I expect to win every game, Atlanta is an average team they lose this game and you can kiss home field away because they have much harder games coming.

I don't see how anyone can look at the "cabal" and argue that the officiating is doing them any good, profit wise.. and let's be honest, we know that's what it's all about in 'Murica. I can argue with whoever about "nudging" for profit, overtime rules, parity, Vegas influence, whatever to a stalemate... You want to tell me there's no incentive to extend games, I tell you follow the money... After last weekend (among many others), the NFL has a massive problem with the refs, at least. Did you watch that BS they call officiating across the league in Week 5..? The technology is at such a point, they could easily fix it.. but won't. They can't even get the new AI ball placement correct. They get more media coverage off the "controversy", so why fix it..? But nah, they don't use it to their advantage... not the lily white National Football League... That's never happened in pro sports... I'm not saying it's "fixed".. far from it... but profit incentive to extend games that shouldn't be..? Yeah, it happens...

Rex used to build bullies and now he just gets bullied for his build. 🥁

The only real counter argument is Rex accomplishing that with D and not O. I’m just not sure if Rex could have taken McD’s D players as far…. But I’m not sure he couldn’t. 13 seconds doesn’t happen with Rex on the sidelines. Not on D and not on ST! Imagine dropping Josh onto those Sanchez offenses. Not saying its guaranteed SB wins but the % definitely increases significantly.

I do agree that the plan was to start White. But I like to think, as I said, that was just to ease Hairston in. That they'd ramp up Hairston's reps throughout the second half of Training Camp and the Pre-Season. And when the season started, he'd get more and more reps until he got his proverbial sea legs under him and ultimately move White to the bench. Especially now with how bad he's playing. We'll never know what the plan was bc of the injury to Hairston before the Pre-Season and the 2nd Half of Training Camp started. You could be right. It could have been White and Hairston not starting unless there was an injury. And if that were the case, it's simply malpractice.