HurlyBurly51 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Do you think they stop practicing because they leave St John Fisher? His contract will be exactly what it should be given the draft position. Yeah, no sh-- they keep practicing. The point being he missed all of the installation of the playbook and all the emphasis on technique, etc. He'll never catch up to make himself useful on the field this year. And yes he'll get paid, but IMHO the FO should use his missed time against him in negotiations. He'll get a 5 year deal, and he'll be stealing at least 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Yeah, no sh-- they keep practicing. The point being he missed all of the installation of the playbook and all the emphasis on technique, etc. He'll never catch up to make himself useful on the field this year. And this all magically changes on Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 you have no idea if maybin is holding out or just waiting for an offer. if the bills don't want to sign high draft picks, they should trade down So all of this is becuase the Bills have not made an offer yet .... please If the Bills did not want to sign a high pick why have they done so before? They could also have traded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 And this all magically changes on Wednesday? Uh yeah, they've already moved on without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Uh yeah, they've already moved on without him. Bet they don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Bet they don't Hmmm.....who was out there playing DE Saturday? Sure wasn't Maybin. Who will be out there next weekend? Not Maybin. Sounds like someone is moving on. Whether he shows or not, he'll have a lot of catching up to do, because he missed all of training camp (it ends Wednesday-look it up). You know, where you typically see teams spend the time installing their systems, and practicing them. I'm sure they'll stop everything once he shows and give him the luxury of catching up. Maybe they'll have a redo of training camp practices to get him his reps instead of installing game plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Hmmm.....who was out there playing DE Saturday? Sure wasn't Maybin. Who will be out there next weekend? Not Maybin. Sounds like someone is moving on. Whether he shows or not, he'll have a lot of catching up to do, because he missed all of training camp (it ends Wednesday-look it up). You know, where you typically see teams spend the time installing their systems, and practicing them. I'm sure they'll stop everything once he shows and give him the luxury of catching up. Maybe they'll have a redo of training camp practices to get him his reps instead of installing game plans. Let's try this: He will get signed, and at a salary commensurate with his draft position. He will incur no penalty for the length of the negotiation (not holdout). It really makes very little difference if he signs today, tomorrow, or Friday. Wednesday represents nothing. He has already missed training camp. If he shows up tomorrow, will be get the benefit of camp? The Bills are likely to use him in spot duty in obvious pass situations. I think he will be fine with whatever he gets in practice. But of course his first year is compromised somewhat by missing so much time. It happens EVERY YEAR to a few players. This time, it was a Bills' player. Try not to make too much out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin isn't signed. No Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm beginning to let my paranoia slip free. I wonder how much Maybin's holdout - and it is exactly that - is because he and his agent doesn't want him to undergo the drug testing that he'll face once he's signed. I'm thinking he's drying out as well as holding out. On a business level - a holdout from a guy like him does not make sense at all. What's the difference in coin - a bean or two? There's got to be another reason. Maybe his agents are pissed at the FO for some friggin' reason. Maybe they're relatives of Chris Mortenson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Let's try this: He will get signed, and at a salary commensurate with his draft position. He will incur no penalty for the length of the negotiation (not holdout). It really makes very little difference if he signs today, tomorrow, or Friday. Wednesday represents nothing. He has already missed training camp. If he shows up tomorrow, will be get the benefit of camp? The Bills are likely to use him in spot duty in obvious pass situations. I think he will be fine with whatever he gets in practice. But of course his first year is compromised somewhat by missing so much time. It happens EVERY YEAR to a few players. This time, it was a Bills' player. Try not to make too much out of it. Usually the Bills are lucky enough to avoid the inevitable greedy jerk. It looked like this would be true this year too when they drafted Maybin higher than he was projected. I have no idea if he'll be a good player or not, but he as already proven to be a ME ME ME type. At what point do the Bills rights expire and Maybin end up in next year's draft? Is there a magic date for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Usually the Bills are lucky enough to avoid the inevitable greedy jerk. It looked like this would be true this year too when they drafted Maybin higher than he was projected. I have no idea if he'll be a good player or not, but he as already proven to be a ME ME ME type. At what point do the Bills rights expire and Maybin end up in next year's draft? Is there a magic date for that? April 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpunchy Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Usually the Bills are lucky enough to avoid the inevitable greedy jerk. It looked like this would be true this year too when they drafted Maybin higher than he was projected. I have no idea if he'll be a good player or not, but he as already proven to be a ME ME ME type. At what point do the Bills rights expire and Maybin end up in next year's draft? Is there a magic date for that? magic date for that is the day of the draft. if they have not signed him by then he goes back in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm beginning to let my paranoia slip free.I wonder how much Maybin's holdout - and it is exactly that - is because he and his agent doesn't want him to undergo the drug testing that he'll face once he's signed. I'm thinking he's drying out as well as holding out. On a business level - a holdout from a guy like him does not make sense at all. What's the difference in coin - a bean or two? There's got to be another reason. Maybe his agents are pissed at the FO for some friggin' reason. Maybe they're relatives of Chris Mortenson. What drug do you think he is on? Aren't they piss tests? In which case, even weed is out of your system in a month tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm beginning to let my paranoia slip free.I wonder how much Maybin's holdout - and it is exactly that - is because he and his agent doesn't want him to undergo the drug testing that he'll face once he's signed. I'm thinking he's drying out as well as holding out. On a business level - a holdout from a guy like him does not make sense at all. What's the difference in coin - a bean or two? There's got to be another reason. Maybe his agents are pissed at the FO for some friggin' reason. Maybe they're relatives of Chris Mortenson. That's an even more paranoid scenario than I could have concocted. Wow. Stay away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 In just 55 days, Maybin gained 25 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 In just 55 days, Maybin gained 25 pounds. And his ego gained 200 pounds. Even Scott Boras/Stephen Strassburg signed. This Maybin guy is too much. The Bills should cut their losses before it is to late and get a third rounder next year for him if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpunchy Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 what would be interesting to know is how much the first contract that was offered differs from the final one. I bet in terms of money very little (at least little in the world of pro sports) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtoady Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I hope the the Bills management sticks to their guns. Tell Maybin take it or leave. sign today or go home and wait until next year. He was overrated by most experts and who is going to pick him up next year after sitting out a year for the money he could get this year. Make a statement, grows some balls. ownership created this mess of paying untested rookies this money, owners need to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGB Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 So it looks like this is probably down to a couple million dollars either way...the Bills offering 24 million and Maybin's trying to get 27ish. Just hope he is in game shape when and if he gets here...or will end up like Peters after his hold-out - worthless for the first 4 or 5 games... NFL.com Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract 1 Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed) 2 Jason Smith OT St. Louis Signed 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed) 3 Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Signed 5 years, $57 million ($31M guaranteed) 4 Aaron Curry LB Seattle Signed 6 years, $60 million ($34M guaranteed) 5 Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed) 6 Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned 7 Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Signed 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed) 8 Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Signed 5 years, $35.4 million ($19.2M guaranteed) 9 B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Signed 5 years, $28.5 million ($18M guaranteed) 10 Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned 11 Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned 12 Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Signed 5 years, $23 million ($13M guaranteed) 13 Brian Orakpo DE Washington Signed 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed) 14 Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Signed 5 years, up to $19 million ($11M guaranteed) 15 Brian Cushing LB Houston Signed 5 years, $18 million ($10.435M guaranteed) 16 Larry English DE San Diego Signed 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed) 17 Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed) 18 Robert Ayers LB Denver Signed 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conch Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin is officially Crabtree's bitc#. Aaron will sit and / or not contribute much this year. Or he will come in and get hurt right away. That often happens to holdouts. Assuming he plays 8 years, he is throwing 12% of his career down the toilet as a result of someone's else's greed and stupidity. His agent does him a grave disservice by not being man enough to negotiate a deal irrespective of the player in front of him. I wonder if his agent is in collusion with Carbtree's agent Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Once again, can someone PLEASE post a link from the Bills, Maybin's people, or some reliable outside media outlet that says that the team has made him an offer? I still haven't seen one, so it's difficult to put this on anybody but the team. At least in Crabtree's case, both the team and the player acknowledge that offers have been exchanged, at no point have I seen anything like that in regard to Maybin. Until I do, the team is on the hook for this fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 And this all magically changes on Wednesday? He'll definitely be on the same page as all the other guys who have been practicing for over 70hrs together over the last 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Once again, can someone PLEASE post a link from the Bills, Maybin's people, or some reliable outside media outlet that says that the team has made him an offer? I still haven't seen one, so it's difficult to put this on anybody but the team. At least in Crabtree's case, both the team and the player acknowledge that offers have been exchanged, at no point have I seen anything like that in regard to Maybin. Until I do, the team is on the hook for this fiasco. Why would you think they haven't made an offer? What else would the Bills have done to this point? How can you negotiate (or holdout, for that matter) unless there has been an offer ot reject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I suggest it is time Russ plays hardball and gives him a drop dead date... Yeah, that always works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Why would you think they haven't made an offer? What else would the Bills have done to this point? How can you negotiate (or holdout, for that matter) unless there has been an offer ot reject? The bottom line is we don't know a freaking thing so there is no point in getting all riled up at the front office or at Maybin. Not that a lack of information ever stopped anyone around here from playing Mussolini from the blacony. Its frustrating, that is the one thing we know for certain. Typical Bills luck though isn't it? The guy we most need to be in camp is the one guy who isn't at camp. If there was ever a first round pick that needed plenty of learning time, its Maybin. Started only one year, came out early and is undersized. Sheeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin is a B word at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Why would you think they haven't made an offer? What else would the Bills have done to this point? How can you negotiate (or holdout, for that matter) unless there has been an offer ot reject? I thought I stated it pretty clearly, but here goes: there has been nothing, absolutely nothing, said by either side (Bills or Maybin) to indicate that offers have been exchanged, or that conversations are even taking place. Compare it to the Crabtree situation, where the team clearly made an offer, and the player clearly rejected it, as has been covered (albeit ad naseum) in the media. All I've ever heard on Maybin is that his deal is dependent upon the Crabtree deal, and that conversations are not taking place. And in response to your second question: it's actually really, really easy...if you don't have a contract offer, you can't sign one. If you don't sign a contract, you can't participate in practice (hence the holdout). How could that possibly confuse you? Here's a nice comparison to every day life: if you don't get a job offer after going on an interview, can you still not have a job, or is the only way to be jobless to reject a job offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Who would have ever thought that our less then superstar first round pick, who seemed to have as many detractors as supporters going into the draft, would get his contract signed by agent Segal and the Bills, after Segal got convicted felon Mike Vick a deal back into the NFL??? Yea because Vick was difficult to negotiate with considering his current leverage and the demand for aging ex-convict quarterbacks who don't fit the pocket passer mold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin is a B word at this point. 1) Would you say that to him face-to-face? Didn't think so. 2) What does that make the organization that, quite literally, refuses to sign him? Don't you think that if the team made him a good offer right now he'd sign it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 So it looks like this is probably down to a couple million dollars either way...the Bills offering 24 million and Maybin's trying to get 27ish. Just hope he is in game shape when and if he gets here...or will end up like Peters after his hold-out - worthless for the first 4 or 5 games... NFL.com Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract 1 Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed) 2 Jason Smith OT St. Louis Signed 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed) 3 Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Signed 5 years, $57 million ($31M guaranteed) 4 Aaron Curry LB Seattle Signed 6 years, $60 million ($34M guaranteed) 5 Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed) 6 Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned 7 Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Signed 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed) 8 Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Signed 5 years, $35.4 million ($19.2M guaranteed) 9 B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Signed 5 years, $28.5 million ($18M guaranteed) 10 Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned 11 Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned 12 Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Signed 5 years, $23 million ($13M guaranteed) 13 Brian Orakpo DE Washington Signed 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed) 14 Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Signed 5 years, up to $19 million ($11M guaranteed) 15 Brian Cushing LB Houston Signed 5 years, $18 million ($10.435M guaranteed) 16 Larry English DE San Diego Signed 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed) 17 Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed) 18 Robert Ayers LB Denver Signed 5 years Until now, I've had the "don't worry--it's still early" attitude. But now it's getting critical. I don't see that it's necessary to wait for Crabtree at all. Any 7th grade algebra student could look at this list of 1st rounders and figure out Maybin's contract. I blame both sides for dragging this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Until now, I've had the "don't worry--it's still early" attitude. But now it's getting critical. I don't see that it's necessary to wait for Crabtree at all. Any 7th grade algebra student could look at this list of 1st rounders and figure out Maybin's contract. I blame both sides for dragging this out. Indeed. The difference in money has to be small. I suspect there are other issues at play. Structuring of the payments, perhaps. Maybe the agent is concerned how a possible lock-out will impact the payments. Just a guess, but it has to be more than simply cash, as there isn't that much to negotiate over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 1) Would you say that to him face-to-face? Didn't think so. Most people wouldn't call Ray Lewis a killer to his face either. That doesn't mean he isn't and it doesn't mean Maybin isn't a B word. He is. 2) What does that make the organization that, quite literally, refuses to sign him? Don't you think that if the team made him a good offer right now he'd sign it? His own "publicist/leech" Lavar Arrington didn't even blame the Bills. He deflected it onto Crabtree which is a mathematical joke and displays Maybin's desire to get #6 money as a #11 pick. And somehow you blame the Bills? Maybin is GREEDIER than Crabtree because at least Crabtree can make a legitimate case he would have been drafted higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Who would have ever thought that our less then superstar first round pick, who seemed to have as many detractors as supporters going into the draft, would get his contract signed by agent Segal and the Bills, after Segal got convicted felon Mike Vick a deal back into the NFL??? Segal is NOT negotiating the deal. Chafie Fields is. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Segal is NOT negotiating the deal. Chafie Fields is. jw When should we look for your piece on this, JW? EDIT: Chafie Fields? Didn't she used to work in the Catskills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm so tired of Buffalo fans bitching about "greedy" football players and then complaining that we have a terribly mediocre team year after year. Money is all relative, I will grant you that. Some people's services are worth more than others. Greed has to do with wanting more than you are worth in a well established market. The best checkout clerk in the history of Wal-Mart holding out for $100 an hour would be greedy whereas Bill Gates asking 3 billion for his shares of Microsoft would not. Maybin wanting #6 money is greed plain and simple. Nobody is saying he shouldn't get millions. Maybin is easily the greediest peron drafted in 2009. And getting more money won't make him any more or less "mediocre". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 EDIT: Chafie Fields? Didn't she used to work in the Catskills? Great. Now, instead of a real negotiation, I'm picturing some hacky scene from Broadway Danny Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Indeed. The difference in money has to be small. I suspect there are other issues at play. Structuring of the payments, perhaps. Maybe the agent is concerned how a possible lock-out will impact the payments. Just a guess, but it has to be more than simply cash, as there isn't that much to negotiate over. It's all about the benjamins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 It's all about the benjamins... No doubt, but it may not be a big difference in total dollars (it really can't be, can it?) but rather how and when the funds are paid, or something of that nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 No doubt, but it may not be a big difference in total dollars (it really can't be, can it?) but rather how and when the funds are paid, or something of that nature. Those factors can all be compared with others drafted around Maybin. The wild card is connecting Maybin to Crabtree which is based in greed, not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Money is all relative, I will grant you that. Some people's services are worth more than others. Greed has to do with wanting more than you are worth in a well established market. The best checkout clerk in the history of Wal-Mart holding out for $100 an hour would be greedy whereas Bill Gates asking 3 billion for his shares of Microsoft would not. Maybin wanting #6 money is greed plain and simple. Nobody is saying he shouldn't get millions. Maybin is easily the greediest peron drafted in 2009. And getting more money won't make him any more or less "mediocre". And what exactly is this based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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