Tipster19 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Last year it was LB Jerod Mayo and now this year it's Patrick Chung. I loathe the Patriots but begrudgingly I have to respect them. It's mostly that Belichick, I can't stand him but boy I wish he was our coach. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...m_chung/?page=1 He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile. http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/43803877.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He hasn't played a down in the NFL yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Havent the Patriots had very mediocre drafts the last several years? http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.ph...amp;TeamID=9003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Seems like a pretty standard story. Not sure what you're getting all excited about just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Last year it was LB Jerod Mayo and now this year it's Patrick Chung. I loathe the Patriots but begrudgingly I have to respect them. It's mostly that Belichick, I can't stand him but boy I wish he was our coach. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...m_chung/?page=1 He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile. http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/43803877.html Why is he anointed a diamond in the rough ? He has about as much chance of success as several of the other rookies. I usually appreciate your posts, but this one has me scratching my head (and I don't have head lice). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Havent the Patriots had very mediocre drafts the last several years? http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.ph...amp;TeamID=9003 Stop giving us the cold hard facts, thou shall NEVER criticize the Pats* for their draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Last year it was LB Jerod Mayo and now this year it's Patrick Chung. I loathe the Patriots but begrudgingly I have to respect them. It's mostly that Belichick, I can't stand him but boy I wish he was our coach. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 http://www.stadiumwall.com/style_emoticons...ault/worthy.gif Not ready to anoint him as the next Ed Reed, but the kid plays physical, is a good tackler...fits right into the Pat's defensive scheme. Hasn't shown great coverage skills, however, and will have a hard time chasin' around TO this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Havent the Patriots had very mediocre drafts the last several years? http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.ph...amp;TeamID=9003 Seems like a pretty standard story. Not sure what you're getting all excited about just yet. Why is he anointed a diamond in the rough ? He has about as much chance of success as several of the other rookies. I usually appreciate your posts, but this one has me scratching my head (and I don't have head lice). Ok, this is going to take some time. It started back in Super Bowl XXV. I have always felt that that Super Bowl was won because of the Giants' secondary. I never saw Andre Reed have alligator arms until that game. I give much more credit to Belichick than Parcels for winning that game. Belichick is not only a defensive guru but a secondary specialist. That's why he is able to shuffle in and out so many DBs but he always has a guy that he can count on and that brings the wood. That guy for the last several years has been Rodney Harrison but due to age and injuries he hasn't been as effective as in years past. Say what you want about Belichick but this guy knows football. He eats, sleeps and drinks football. It's in his genes. Back to Chung. This player appears to be the perfect type of player for Belichick's system. Sure, he could be a bust but I don't think so. The Patriots have a habit of finding true blue football players. It's their mentality that separates them from other players/teams, not their skills. I believe that Buffalo for the first in years has found a couple of players that will bring that mindset to our roster and for that you can thank Russ Brandon for. I'll say it again, I think Brandon has shades of Polian. He strikes me as a fiery GM and is ready and willing to kick this franchise in the seat of their pants. Last year it was Mayo. Want to hear something funny? The guy admitted that he didn't have all that big of a grasp of what was going on last year. That's scarey. You can bash me or say that I'm a closet Patriot fan or whatever else but I respect football and the Patriots are a great franchise, like it or not. Matter of fact I'm more concern with what is going on with them currently than I have been the last few years. In the last few years we were all waiting for them to run the gamut and be done. Well, they're not done yet, not by a longshot. These are the type of players that will carry the torch for them and I think that the torch might even burn brighter than before. Oh, by the way, did anyone notice that they quietly, at least to me, took DT Ron Brace with their second of four 2nd rd pick? C'mon, they are relentless! I know that I am going to hear a lot of sh-- about all this but I did last year too when I posted about being wary of the Dolphins. How'd that work out? Whatever. Look, feel good about what we did in this draft but make no mistake about it, we still got a ton of ground to make up in terms of catching up to these bastards. Hey, I guess that you got to take one step at a time, right? I do love the strategy of moving Brad Butler over to ROT and then drafting a couple of blue chip interior OL. THAT was ingenious! I'm shooting for us to make it as a wildcard this year and these pricks get knocked off in the play-offs either by us in a one game elimination or by someone else, I really don't care which. Chung could probably make this team just on STs but he's not, he's going to make this team because he's good, real good and he brings the serious lumber, especially on RBs. Speaking of STs, I was listening to Sirius radio a few weeks back, just before we traded Jason Peters, and Bobby April was on, matter of fact I think that it was his birthday, well anyways he went on and on about the Patriots' new ST coach Scott O'Brien. I guess that this guy and April know each other well and have gone toe to toe with each other in the past and the impression that I got from April is that this guy is as every bit as good as he is. I check out his bio and he looks it. When we play the Patriots don't count on our STs as being a big advantage. This O'Brien guy might very well be able to counter it. I'm not being an alarmist, I'm just evaluating. I'm evaluating our team, our division rivals and their players. This Chung, keep an eye on him. I just got one question, Rodney who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Why is he anointed a diamond in the rough ? He has about as much chance of success as several of the other rookies. I usually appreciate your posts, but this one has me scratching my head (and I don't have head lice). He had better be good for their sakes 'cause Shawn Nelson is going to be running all over around and through his Arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzaloha Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Ok, this is going to take some time. It started back in Super Bowl XXV. I have always felt that that Super Bowl was won because of the Giants' secondary. I never saw Andre Reed have alligator arms until that game. I give much more credit to Belichick than Parcels for winning that game. Belichick is not only a defensive guru but a secondary specialist. That's why he is able to shuffle in and out so many DBs but he always has a guy that he can count on and that brings the wood. That guy for the last several years has been Rodney Harrison but due to age and injuries he hasn't been as effective as in years past. Say what you want about Belichick but this guy knows football. He eats, sleeps and drinks football. It's in his genes. Back to Chung. This player appears to be the perfect type of player for Belichick's system. Sure, he could be a bust but I don't think so. The Patriots have a habit of finding true blue football players. It's their mentality that separates them from other players/teams, not their skills. I believe that Buffalo for the first in years has found a couple of players that will bring that mindset to our roster and for that you can thank Russ Brandon for. I'll say it again, I think Brandon has shades of Polian. He strikes me as a fiery GM and is ready and willing to kick this franchise in the seat of their pants. Last year it was Mayo. Want to hear something funny? The guy admitted that he didn't have all that big of a grasp of what was going on last year. That's scarey. You can bash me or say that I'm a closet Patriot fan or whatever else but I respect football and the Patriots are a great franchise, like it or not. Matter of fact I'm more concern with what is going on with them currently than I have been the last few years. In the last few years we were all waiting for them to run the gamut and be done. Well, they're not done yet, not by a longshot. These are the type of players that will carry the torch for them and I think that the torch might even burn brighter than before. Oh, by the way, did anyone notice that they quietly, at least to me, took DT Ron Brace with their second of four 2nd rd pick? C'mon, they are relentless! I know that I am going to hear a lot of sh-- about all this but I did last year too when I posted about being wary of the Dolphins. How'd that work out? Whatever. Look, feel good about what we did in this draft but make no mistake about it, we still got a ton of ground to make up in terms of catching up to these bastards. Hey, I guess that you got to take one step at a time, right? I do love the strategy of moving Brad Butler over to ROT and then drafting a couple of blue chip interior OL. THAT was ingenious! I'm shooting for us to make it as a wildcard this year and these pricks get knocked off in the play-offs either by us in a one game elimination or by someone else, I really don't care which. Chung could probably make this team just on STs but he's not, he's going to make this team because he's good, real good and he brings the serious lumber, especially on RBs. Speaking of STs, I was listening to Sirius radio a few weeks back, just before we traded Jason Peters, and Bobby April was on, matter of fact I think that it was his birthday, well anyways he went on and on about the Patriots' new ST coach Scott O'Brien. I guess that this guy and April know each other well and have gone toe to toe with each other in the past and the impression that I got from April is that this guy is as every bit as good as he is. I check out his bio and he looks it. When we play the Patriots don't count on our STs as being a big advantage. This O'Brien guy might very well be able to counter it. I'm not being an alarmist, I'm just evaluating. I'm evaluating our team, our division rivals and their players. This Chung, keep an eye on him. I just got one question, Rodney who? Can't believe you are getting a boner over a pat draft pick article in "boston.com". Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He had better be good for their sakes 'cause Shawn Nelson is going to be running all over around and through his Arse. Along with Lynch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFHOee7LdI...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 As with all players drafted over the weekend, perhaps rather than speculate who got a steal and who didn't, we should wait and see how they actually look on the field. I, for one, am happy that the Bills appear to have addressed their needs in many areas, but am not heralding this as a great draft. I want to at least see how they perform during our 5 preseason games before I start forming opinions. That being said, isn't this topic more appropriate, say, on the Patriots' message board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 As with all players drafted over the weekend, perhaps rather than speculate who got a steal and who didn't, we should wait and see how they actually look on the field. I, for one, am happy that the Bills appear to have addressed their needs in many areas, but am not heralding this as a great draft. I want to at least see how they perform during our 5 preseason games before I start forming opinions. That being said, isn't this topic more appropriate, say, on the Patriots' message board? I have to say, I don't quite get what the fuss is about. Chung is a very good prospect, and was well known before the draft. The Pats* picked him with their very first pick, in the 2nd round. I expect he will do well. Diamond in the rough? WTF is that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Havent the Patriots had very mediocre drafts the last several years? http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.ph...amp;TeamID=9003 Well, going back to 04, they've had big hits on 5 of their past 6 first rounders (Mayo, Meriweather, Mankins, Wilfork, and Watson). I'll give Maroney half a hit - he's looked terrific when healthy, but he does get hurt a lot. I suppose I should add that contrary to popular belief, Meriweather really stepped it up last year and was excellent. Ellis Hobbs, Matt Cassell, and Nick Kaczur were excellent picks in 05, although I'm not quite sure why they traded Hobbs for more picks. As for 06 and 07, I wouldn't pass judgement yet. They have great front line starters, and it's hard for guys to get playing time. They're not like the Bills, after all. To wit, I distinctly recall people saying Ty Warren was a disappointment after his second year. Turns out they were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Well, going back to 04, they've had big hits on 5 of their past 6 first rounders (Mayo, Meriweather, Mankins, Wilfork, and Watson). I'll give Maroney half a hit - he's looked terrific when healthy, but he does get hurt a lot. I suppose I should add that contrary to popular belief, Meriweather really stepped it up last year and was excellent. Ellis Hobbs, Matt Cassell, and Nick Kaczur were excellent picks in 05, although I'm not quite sure why they traded Hobbs for more picks. As for 06 and 07, I wouldn't pass judgement yet. They have great front line starters, and it's hard for guys to get playing time. They're not like the Bills, after all. To wit, I distinctly recall people saying Ty Warren was a disappointment after his second year. Turns out they were wrong. I think their last good draft was 2005, which to me, is several years ago. I don't think Meriwether is all that good. Every year they seem to get such high marks for trading away draft picks for high choices the following year, then the following year the same thing happens and they never use them. It seems like that has happened four times in a row. Mayo was a very good pick and player but that's it. I don't think one guy makes a good draft. 2006-2007 were very mediocre even if the team doesn't have a lot of places to be starters. They sure lose a lot of veterans and sign a bunch of free agents every year that take over for starters. FWIW, i never thought warren was a bad player or pick but that's old news by now. And yeah, guys like Hobbs take four years to be good and they get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHILL Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Ok, this is going to take some time. It started back in Super Bowl XXV. I have always felt that that Super Bowl was won because of the Giants' secondary. I never saw Andre Reed have alligator arms until that game. I give much more credit to Belichick than Parcels for winning that game. Belichick is not only a defensive guru but a secondary specialist. That's why he is able to shuffle in and out so many DBs but he always has a guy that he can count on and that brings the wood. That guy for the last several years has been Rodney Harrison but due to age and injuries he hasn't been as effective as in years past. Say what you want about Belichick but this guy knows football. He eats, sleeps and drinks football. It's in his genes. OK.... this is crap.... the Bills lost b/c they only had the ball 19 minutes and scored 17 points on offense. Reed was virtually mugged and got hammered a lot. Don't recall the alligator arms. There defense was tough but it wasn't some genious plan. Kelly should have ran the ball more and they missed like 3 crucial 3rd down stops. Give Belicheck credit for the Patriots but not for SB 25. Giants had a plan to keep the Bills off the field and they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I think their last good draft was 2005, which to me, is several years ago. I don't think Meriwether is all that good. Every year they seem to get such high marks for trading away draft picks for high choices the following year, then the following year the same thing happens and they never use them. It seems like that has happened four times in a row. Mayo was a very good pick and player but that's it. I don't think one guy makes a good draft. 2006-2007 were very mediocre even if the team doesn't have a lot of places to be starters. They sure lose a lot of veterans and sign a bunch of free agents every year that take over for starters. FWIW, i never thought warren was a bad player or pick but that's old news by now. And yeah, guys like Hobbs take four years to be good and they get rid of him. Meriweather was very good last year. Stats aren't all that reliable for safeties, but he had four picks and 9 passes defensed: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MeriBr99.htm. Plus he had 79 tackles. Those are strong numbers for a safety. Whitner, who I have defended and who I like, had no INTs and 1 pass defensed: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitDo20.htm. The flipside is that the the Bills finished 4th in TD passes allowed and NE finished 27th. In any event, when the Bills played the Pats last year, Meriweather looked like one of the better players on the team. Re 08, you should know better than to judge it so soon. Loaded teams phase in their rookies slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Ridlehuber Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Ok, this is going to take some time. It started back in Super Bowl XXV. I have always felt that that Super Bowl was won because of the Giants' secondary. I never saw Andre Reed have alligator arms until that game. I give much more credit to Belichick than Parcels for winning that game. Belichick is not only a defensive guru but a secondary specialist. That's why he is able to shuffle in and out so many DBs but he always has a guy that he can count on and that brings the wood. That guy for the last several years has been Rodney Harrison but due to age and injuries he hasn't been as effective as in years past. Say what you want about Belichick but this guy knows football. He eats, sleeps and drinks football. It's in his genes. Back to Chung. This player appears to be the perfect type of player for Belichick's system. Sure, he could be a bust but I don't think so. The Patriots have a habit of finding true blue football players. It's their mentality that separates them from other players/teams, not their skills. I believe that Buffalo for the first in years has found a couple of players that will bring that mindset to our roster and for that you can thank Russ Brandon for. I'll say it again, I think Brandon has shades of Polian. He strikes me as a fiery GM and is ready and willing to kick this franchise in the seat of their pants. Last year it was Mayo. Want to hear something funny? The guy admitted that he didn't have all that big of a grasp of what was going on last year. That's scarey. You can bash me or say that I'm a closet Patriot fan or whatever else but I respect football and the Patriots are a great franchise, like it or not. Matter of fact I'm more concern with what is going on with them currently than I have been the last few years. In the last few years we were all waiting for them to run the gamut and be done. Well, they're not done yet, not by a longshot. These are the type of players that will carry the torch for them and I think that the torch might even burn brighter than before. Oh, by the way, did anyone notice that they quietly, at least to me, took DT Ron Brace with their second of four 2nd rd pick? C'mon, they are relentless! I know that I am going to hear a lot of sh-- about all this but I did last year too when I posted about being wary of the Dolphins. How'd that work out? Whatever. Look, feel good about what we did in this draft but make no mistake about it, we still got a ton of ground to make up in terms of catching up to these bastards. Hey, I guess that you got to take one step at a time, right? I do love the strategy of moving Brad Butler over to ROT and then drafting a couple of blue chip interior OL. THAT was ingenious! I'm shooting for us to make it as a wildcard this year and these pricks get knocked off in the play-offs either by us in a one game elimination or by someone else, I really don't care which. Chung could probably make this team just on STs but he's not, he's going to make this team because he's good, real good and he brings the serious lumber, especially on RBs. Speaking of STs, I was listening to Sirius radio a few weeks back, just before we traded Jason Peters, and Bobby April was on, matter of fact I think that it was his birthday, well anyways he went on and on about the Patriots' new ST coach Scott O'Brien. I guess that this guy and April know each other well and have gone toe to toe with each other in the past and the impression that I got from April is that this guy is as every bit as good as he is. I check out his bio and he looks it. When we play the Patriots don't count on our STs as being a big advantage. This O'Brien guy might very well be able to counter it. I'm not being an alarmist, I'm just evaluating. I'm evaluating our team, our division rivals and their players. This Chung, keep an eye on him. I just got one question, Rodney who? This continues to be one of the single biggest mis-conception among football fans. The Bills had the ball 20 minutes and scored 19 points. They shredded that defense and if Kelly and Levy had run Thurman more that game would have been a blow out. Belichick is a great coach but that wasn't his best moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Cold Bruschi Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It seems like you guys nit pick a lot. Many of you are saying that because we don't have amazing drafts every year means we aren't good at drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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