BillsVet Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Royal and Dockery. Well, the "Marv built a great corps" camp seems to be really facing a tough sell more and more. Don't you dare attack Marv Levy the GM. It's amazing that Dockery was signed to big money, when in fact they were attempting to run a variant of the WCO. As a 330 pound guard, we know he didn't fit with having lineman able to pass protect. From a team-building perspective, he was 180 degrees from what they wanted. I can understand having a guy like Mitchell at WLB in a C2 perhaps. But lumbering guards at 49M is a stretch and two years later he's history. It's mistakes like this which hamstring an organization longer than the player is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hook 'em, Horns!!! And there are still people here who are convinced that the U of Texas produces NFL players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The NFL's free-agency season begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday. The Bills still could have some other cuts coming by 4 p.m. today, with veteran tight end Robert Royal being one candidate. I thought it started at 12:01 a.m. tomorrow. Mark Gaughn doesn't even know when NFL free agency starts....what a shocker. Keep reading Tim's articles Mark, maybe you'll learn something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 That would be awesome. Jason Brown prefers to play guard anyway. Then we could draft a Center and groom him behind Saturday. Our line would be one of the best if we were able to sign both of them Yes it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 How about signing both? Saturday as a C and Brown as a G. Brown expressed about wanting to go to Miami and the they are looking for a C. By making an offer foer the G position might make us more appealing to Brown. Just a thought. After giving that huge contract to Dockery, I have my doubts as to whether Ralph will open up his pocket books on the OL again. Honestly, I expect a return of the Corbin Lacina/Mike Pucillo strategy on the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I got to be honest, I do not like this move. This is why the bills never improve. They make holes in the roster when they do not have to. Say what you want about DD but there is not a guy on the roster right now that could replace him in the starting lineup & be an upgrade. I understand making the move to clear salary but why not wait until they bring in another guard & then cut him? With the bills it is always seems like it is one step forward, two steps back. They are constantly every offseason making moves that create holes in the roster that do not have to be made. That is why we never improve from our usual 7-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Moves like this one are a big reason why the Bills never improve. They have to waste time and resources replacing too many competent (if overpaid) players that they dump for various reasons. You can only plug so many holes in one offseason. They were already going to be pressed to fill all of their needs, and now, the Bills have all but guaranteed that yet one more won't be adequately addressed. My feelings exactly. Look, its possible we sign Saturday and Brown, but highly unlikely. And will Brown or Saturday even be as good as Dockery was or will we get some drivel about developing our own guy in the quest for dominance and taking him in the 3rd/4th round of the draft. Meanwhile said pick will take two years just to get to Dockery's level of competance. I am not happy at all about this move. And anyone who thinks a WCO will work in Buffalo obviously did not watch the NE game at the end of December. You MUST have a strong running game and be able to stop the run. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The Bills have a plan to make Peters the highest paid member of the OL. But instead of paying him, they are going to cut everyone who makes more than him. and move in back to guard becuase guards are suppose to make less than the LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 If the Bills sign Saturday and Brown I will drink a toast and toast is hard to swallow, even with butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 After giving that huge contract to Dockery, I have my doubts as to whether Ralph will open up his pocket books on the OL again. Honestly, I expect a return of the Corbin Lacina/Mike Pucillo strategy on the OL. Well, our ex-O-Line coach Jim McNally was supposed to be a genius in turning out talent like he did for the Giants. The secret seems to be practice, practice, practice, IN PADS! The Giants lock horns and run the ball all training camp. That's why they get it done and the Bills suck at running the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBoston Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Duke Preston assuming we sign the C from the Ravens. Preston and Fowler are both UFAs, I'd be shocked to see them come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Don't you dare attack Marv Levy the GM. Indeed. It's amazing that Dockery was signed to big money, when in fact they were attempting to run a variant of the WCO. As a 330 pound guard, we know he didn't fit with having lineman able to pass protect. From a team-building perspective, he was 180 degrees from what they wanted.When they signed him, they were (hopefully) trying to build towards the Martz system under Fairchild, so at that time he was a good option. They somehow went for "continuity" and promoted a WCO guy who appears to be sending the offense as you say 180 degrees from their original heading.I can understand having a guy like Mitchell at WLB in a C2 perhaps. But lumbering guards at 49M is a stretch and two years later he's history. It's mistakes like this which hamstring an organization longer than the player is here. We are not treading water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The Bills have a plan to make Peters the highest paid member of the OL. But instead of paying him, they are going to cut everyone who makes more than him. Very pithy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Preston and Fowler are both UFAs, I'd be shocked to see them come back. You know I've thought about that for awhile. Preston is a decent player and plays all 3 interior line positions. In the eyes of many that makes him a valuable player. Personally I would have made an attempt to keep him but we don't know if the Bills had any conversations with his agent and if so, what each side's disposition is. As for free agency, to clarify even further, as I type this it's 11:14 am EST. That means free agency starts in 12 hours and 46 minutes...and counting down baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISSCHUNK Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The Bills have a plan to make Peters the highest paid member of the OL. But instead of paying him, they are going to cut everyone who makes more than him. Hilarious! You're killin' me here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I got to be honest, I do not like this move. This is why the bills never improve. They make holes in the roster when they do not have to. Say what you want about DD but there is not a guy on the roster right now that could replace him in the starting lineup & be an upgrade. I understand making the move to clear salary but why not wait until they bring in another guard & then cut him? With the bills it is always seems like it is one step forward, two steps back. They are constantly every offseason making moves that create holes in the roster that do not have to be made. That is why we never improve from our usual 7-9. Well, let's also not forget the probable long term extension for Peters that would likely pay him $8-10M per year. It also sounds like it will cost about $8 M per year to sign Brown, provided that the Bills even get into that bidding war for his services. Keeping Dockery on board would have amounted to about $25 M per year for just THE LEFT side of the OL (LT to Center). I've said before that I view Dockery as an average to slightly above average OG. He certainly isn't worth the money he was set to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I don't like the move. A possible motivation for it is perhaps he's due a large roster bonus soon (I saw mention of like a $1.75m above). I'll concede that he certainly didn't live up to his contract and in fact this past season was arguably not even "good". But he was apparently our best option there (or else he'd be benched). Our other options there also aren't likely to return. Whittle can't stay healthy & even when playing was merely adequate IMO. Fowler sucked & should be gone. Preston was adequate and has potential to improve but I certainly wouldn't want to overpay for him in FA to assure his return. Now we have to replace 4 interior linemen, not to mention upgrade other places. And it's not like we need to clear cap space. As others have mentioned, seems to me Kelsay would've been a far more prudent jettison - we've already got Ellis "in the wings" hopefully ready to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 must have looked like the weak link on the game film in the end of season review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISSCHUNK Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hook 'em, Horns!!! And there are still people here who are convinced that the U of Texas produces NFL players? They take pay cuts coming into the NFL! It's a wonderful life in Austin, Texas. Who needs the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 DD never did anything memorable on the field, good or bad. He was serviceable. Nothing more. Definitely not worth the dough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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